Jacob Rees Mogg

[TheJasperCo]

Would Jacob Rees-Mogg be exactly where he is now and had the life he's enjoyed, had he been born in the same town as me, with a father working the same profession mine did, gone to the same school as me, and ended up as President of the Oxford University Conservative Association, worked in the city, founded his own investment firm and ended up in Westminster as part of the elite? I think not.

I'm not saying he would, I am saying you shouldn't dislike someone because of it. Let's flip it round: would you have gone on to be an MP if you had his fortunate upbringing?

 

[Frutos]

Not keen on some of his views to say the least (easy enough to guess which), but I've always thought he comes across well when I've seen him on TV.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Is he actually human?

Distinctly more OWLISH than human.

 

[Buzzer]

I might be wrong here but his views on gay marriage doesn't mean that he's anti-gay. I believe he does support same-sex civil partnerships but he is specifically against the idea that marriage can be between anyone other than a man or a woman. There are also many gay people who hold this view - Christopher Biggins being a well-known example.

 

[highflyer]

Not keen on some of his views to say the least (easy enough to guess which), but I've always thought he comes across well when I've seen him on TV.

- A product of an unjust inequitable class based system
- Deeply illiberal
- Insanely right wing
- I hate almost everything he stands for

But:

- You know where you stand
- He does not pretend to be something he isn't
- He appears to be geuinely polite and civil in the way he conducts his politics

So a mixed bag but on balance I am probably team Moggers

 

[ManOfSussex]

I'm not saying he would, I am saying you shouldn't dislike someone because of it. Let's flip it round: would you have gone on to be an MP if you had his fortunate upbringing?

If I was born into the elite like he was and had his privileged, exclusive education and inherited wealth, built on the misery of others risking their lives coal mining, I would probably be very arrogant and superior, so yes, I probably would. Brexit or anything going good or bad isn't going to make the slightest difference to the life of people like him.

 

[Frutos]

- A product of an unjust inequitable class based system
- Deeply illiberal
- Insanely right wing
- I hate almost everything he stands for

But:

- You know where you stand
- He does not pretend to be something he isn't
- He appears to be geuinely polite and civil in the way he conducts his politics

So a mixed bag but on balance I am probably team Moggers

Yep, a fair enough summary for me I reckon.

 

[El Presidente]

Anyone who calls his son Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius Mogg and has a wife called Helena de Chair can't be all bad.

 

[beorhthelm]

If I was born into the elite like he was and had his privileged, exclusive education and inherited wealth, built on the misery of others risking their lives coal mining, I would probably be very arrogant and superior, so yes, I probably would. Brexit or anything going good or bad isn't going to make the slightest difference to the life of people like him.

what an odd thing to say - his father was a journalist made a life peer. seems your list of dislikes is based on prejudice, if he wasnt born to some privilege and had that education, someone else would have and you'd dislike them for it instead.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

I might be wrong here but his views on gay marriage doesn't mean that he's anti-gay. I believe he does support same-sex civil partnerships but he is specifically against the idea that marriage can be between anyone other than a man or a woman. There are also many gay people who hold this view - Christopher Biggins being a well-known example.

It's a view that many christians hold.

edit: very = view.

 

[ManOfSussex]

what an odd thing to say - his father was a journalist made a life peer. seems your list of dislikes is based on prejudice, if he wasnt born to some privilege and had that education, someone else would have and you'd dislike them for it instead.

His Father was born into inherited wealth, into the establishment and went to Charterhouse and Oxford - I'm sure that helped his journalistic career no end.

Yes, you're quite correct though, I dislike the privileged British establishment intensely. Tally-ho, we're all in this together though.

 

[Murray 17]

Oxford University takes the cream of academia. I really don't subscribe to the view that family connections or money gets you in.

 

[Murray 17]

It's a view that many christians hold.

edit: very = view.

... and they get a lot of stick for it. If people disagree on same-sex marriage because of their religious beliefs, that should be respected.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Oxford University takes the cream of academia. I really don't subscribe to the view that family connections or money gets you in.

Helps to become that cream of academia if you've been fortunate enough to have been educated at Eton & Chaterhouse.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

I have come to like the guy... one of the group of solid M Pswho never get office but do the business and are the backbone of Parliament. At the other end of the spectrum is Frank Field ... I might have said Corbyn until recently.

 

[Murray 17]

Helps to become that cream of academia if you've been fortunate enough to have been educated at Eton & Chaterhouse.

Quite likely, yes. That brings the private school debate to the forefront. Many teachers I know are against them, but for various reasons they get results.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Quite likely, yes. That brings the private school debate to the forefront. Many teachers I know are against them, but for various reasons they get results.

I'm from a teaching family, so many teachers and friends I know are very, very against them.

 

[Murray 17]

I'm from a teaching family, so many teachers and friends I know are very, very against them.

I'm from such a family too.

The politically correct view is that everyone is capable of achieving high grades etc. Realistically, it's a different picture though. Bright people have bright children, and less able have less able children. After all, you are made by your parents. You can't make a silk purse from a pig's ear.

I'm not sure what Jacob's parents are like academically, but at least one of them must be very bright. Good schools move children on as far as they can, but you can't take a genuine E grade student and move them up to an A grade.

I would guess that JRM is naturally bright, and that the extra help, better facilities and smaller teaching groups has produced the person he is today.

 

[TheJasperCo]

If I was born into the elite like he was and had his privileged, exclusive education and inherited wealth, built on the misery of others risking their lives coal mining, I would probably be very arrogant and superior, so yes, I probably would. Brexit or anything going good or bad isn't going to make the slightest difference to the life of people like him.

OK, so putting the inheritance thing to one side (no one can help being born into wealth or poverty), what it comes down to is whether you think he works harder than others who earn less. He's worked hard throughout his life. He hasn't sat on his hands and spent the last 40 years lazing around doing nothing and living a life of luxury. He is ultimately a public servant.

From what I've seen and heard from him, he's different to most establishment figures - he isn't arrogant and doesn't come across as superior. That is why I and a few others on this thread have come to respect him.

I thought it was meant to be a socialist thing that you should never judge. I would certainly never judge a man on where he was born or how much he's inherited; I judge him on his character, achievements and personality. I'm sure you've made a success out of your life ManOfSussex...regardless of your upbringing, don't let envy cloud your perspective. It will do you no favours.

 

[Stat Brother]

He's always funny on The News Quiz.

But invariably they pair him with Susan Calman and it's clear JRM doesn't have a clue what's going on.

Begging the question, am I laughing with or at him.