[Misc] Ivor Caplin's twitter account has taken an unexpected turn

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Oh and here’s a thread you might find illuminating:

It's OK. I'm not arguing with you. We are just looking at the same thing through different ends of the same telescope

 

[nickbrighton]

I’d argue he’s getting off a lot lighter than if he was openly perving over young women of a similar age as a 66 year old man, but we clearly disagree on this.

This has been an ongoing criticism I’ve had of aspects of the gay community for decades, the huge number of gay pubs and clubs with posters of half (or fully) naked young men all over the walls, in the toilets, stacks of softcore gay porn magazines to browse.

It all just feels very seedy. I get that men are generally more direct about their desire for sex, but when accompanying gay friends to gay pubs and bars it was just very uncomfortable and certainly not something you’d really ever see in non-LGBT venues.

As a gay man who goes to various gay venues around the city I have to say that this experience seems very out of date. Go into any of the gay bars in St James's St and you simply wouldn't find gay porn on video loop, porn mags laying around, . Granted you may see a few posters of swim suit clad men as part of advertising various events and club nights, but im pretty sure straight venues have pretty girls advertising club nights


Nautilus Lounge, The Zone, Marine Tavern, Bar Broadway, Legends, Affinity Bar are all places I regularly visit and I haven't seen any of what you describe for at least a decade

So I have to disagree that this is an ongoing criticism of LGBT venues. Yes there are club nights -Gay and Straight held across the city (Sublime used to be a very popular STRAIGHT and gay club with somewhat liberal attitude to clothing and intimacy) where what you say may hold truth- but not the general bars and clubs

If anything the ongoing issue with gay bars these days is the number of hen parties leering and commenting at the other customers that make the LGBT clientele feel uncomfortable-so much so that some gay venues ban them.

Gay bars havent been "seedy" as you put it for decades- and even prior a lot were only viewed as seedy by straight people who couldnt get their heads round the whole LGBT thing, and considered anything involving same sex as seedy, and therefore considered anywhere we met us as "seedy"

 

[Hugo Rune]

As a gay man who goes to various gay venues around the city I have to say that this experience seems very out of date. Go into any of the gay bars in St James's St and you simply wouldn't find gay porn on video loop, porn mags laying around, . Granted you may see a few posters of swim suit clad men as part of advertising various events and club nights, but im pretty sure straight venues have pretty girls advertising club nights


Nautilus Lounge, The Zone, Marine Tavern, Bar Broadway, Legends, Affinity Bar are all places I regularly visit and I haven't seen any of what you describe for at least a decade

So I have to disagree that this is an ongoing criticism of LGBT venues. Yes there are club nights -Gay and Straight held across the city (Sublime used to be a very popular STRAIGHT and gay club with somewhat liberal attitude to clothing and intimacy) where what you say may hold truth- but not the general bars and clubs

If anything the ongoing issue with gay bars these days is the number of hen parties leering and commenting at the other customers that make the LGBT clientele feel uncomfortable-so much so that some gay venues ban them.

Gay bars havent been "seedy" as you put it for decades- and even prior a lot were only viewed as seedy by straight people who couldnt get their heads round the whole LGBT thing, and considered anything involving same sex as seedy, and therefore considered anywhere we met us as "seedy"

But if Eastbourne is a decade or two behind Brighton on things, perhaps it’s reasonable that Denty should have found himself flicking through some rag mags at the Hart?

 

[Guinness Boy]

He's not a public figure. He was booted out of Labour last year. For reasons undisclosed.

And his publishing of the images was widely reported during the summer.
And it isn't as if X is a secret society on the dark web.

I don't understand this thread at all.

It is as if someone posted a thread today about a new story that PM Sunak made a tit of himself in the rain. In June.

(It looks like Ivor has been having a meltdown. All a bit sad).

I think Boz just noticed the rather odd behaviour of an X user who has a historical connection with the club.

After all, if it was anti Labour then it would be about the sixth concurrent thread on a site often derided as “too left wing”.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It all just feels very seedy. I get that men are generally more direct about their desire for sex, but when accompanying gay friends to gay pubs and bars it was just very uncomfortable and certainly not something you’d really ever see in non-LGBT venues.

You need to get yourself out to some of the bars and clubs in Berlin then

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Nonsense.

Many of my gay friends find the skeeviness in many gay pubs and bars gross, when they just want to go out and meet friends and not look at men gyrating on a loop on the tv screens.

I don't recognise your description of 'gay' bars from the many I've been to in both Brighton and Soho - maybe it's just Eastbourne that has the bars you describe.

Of course the simple answer is that you and your friends just go to a non-sexualised bar instead. Never understand why there needs to be gay bars and non-gay bars - can't we all just mix together without sexuality coming into it ? What next - a gay stand at the Amex.

And @Harry Wilson's tackle is correct - your post comes across as very homophobic.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

A lot more likely to have been hacked, I should think.

Happened before on his profile if you scroll back. Nothing new.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

This has been going on for months now. I had to unfollow him

This

 

[Cotton Socks]

@Harry Wilson's tackle It is sexist!! I'm not Googling the law on this though as my pc is in the lounge!

Where is the happy medium for social media? I got a post deleted & a warning on FB about 'hate speech' when I moaned that men aren't psychic, it appears I can see dick pics galore on X by showing an interest in politics!!

@jcdenton08 I've been to Legends a few times over the last 6 years (I'm heterosexual) and I can assure you there's no porn that I've come across. . I didn't see any in the Bulldog when I went there a couple of years ago either. However what I do see in 'straight' pubs that just play music via music vid channels are videos like this....
Completely suitable for work & no one bats an eyelid. It could be argued that the women are fully clothed but lets face it the vid is so sexualised that they may as well be naked. It's not a gay vs straight thing, it's how far the boundaries are being pushed.

Just to avoid doubt, to the rest of you, put a 'love' emoji if it's the video you like rather than my post content otherwise it could seem like a lot of people are in agreement with me!

 

[Eeyore]

But if Eastbourne is a decade or two behind Brighton on things, perhaps it’s reasonable that Denty should have found himself flicking through some rag mags at the Hart?

The @jcdenton08 Eastbourne observation could be right. I think the Hart is the only gay place as it often is in regional outposts. The only real meeting point. Places like that would always seem a little incestuous. It would be the same if a town that was 95% gay had only one social meeting place for single straight folk. It can breed a sub-culture of licentiousness. Or at least one that may have such an appearance. Like large night clubs, a lot of folk would go to pull on weekends.

It reminds me of a comical moment I had when visiting a friend during 1998 in The Fens . He had friends in a gay bar in Peterborough, the only one for many miles around, and asked if I fancied popping in with him. So we went. When I got to the bar a young woman came up to me and said 'Did you know you could have any man you want in this pub ?'. I looked around at the staring faces and said 'I think it's because I'm the only one they've never had...'

It's no different to when I turned up in an outback pub in Australia (Cobar- look it up and don't stop there if you ever pass through). The car had broken down and we were stuck. Me, my friend and his sister. Within half an hour a bloke had offered me his wife for the night in an exchange deal. Small town, one gathering point, new face. That night we roomed at the pub. No choice. I'm not even sure the door had a lock. Slept with one eye open. I'd visit the Hart tenfold over that place.

 

[London Irish]

Nonsense.

Many of my gay friends find the skeeviness in many gay pubs and bars gross, when they just want to go out and meet friends and not look at men gyrating on a loop on the tv screens. The last time I was in The Hart pub (formerly the Hartington) in Eastbourne they wanted to leave to go to elsewhere because of it.

I am absolutely 100% convinced that as a theatre professional with many gay friends, respectfully, less than half your age, I have experienced more of what I’m describing than you.

You’re trying to dictate to me my own experiences and calling them homophobic when I am just about the biggest straight LBGT ally possible and actually do “get out”.

Biggest ally possible yet you’re on an overwhelmingly straight lad football site moaning about gay pubs, come on

 

[jackalbion]

This is not my area of expertise, but I was always led to believe that showing whatever bits of a female in mags was considered fine, but male genitalia in the way it has been displayed on X was considered 'hardcore' porn.
Tbf it doesn't really matter who has posted it (well it does a bit) but I should've had to type in my DOB to see that. I may have done previously but it's still a bit wrong.
Yeah fine if I go looking for it but I'd expect it to be more difficult to find. I've obviously become very naive in my old age.

No I agree that the showing of male genitalia is not hardcore, BUT having followed him for a number of years now, there is quite often the sprinkling of hardcore porn on there.

 

[Zeberdi]

Never mind. Perhaps I was insufficiently elaborating. Me and Zeb get pelters for going on and on but we do it precisely to minimize the risk of misunderstanding. I do it less than Zeb because I don't like being TL/DR'd. Perhaps insufficiently so in this case

Oi! Don’t bring me in to it.

(ps )

 

[Skuller]

Biggest ally possible yet you’re on an overwhelmingly straight lad football site moaning about gay pubs, come on

How do you know this site is “overwhelmingly straight”?

 

[Chicken Run]

How do you know this site is “overwhelmingly straight”?

Someone ran a poll a few years back iirc, came back as 98% straight

 

[Skuller]

Someone ran a poll a few years back iirc, came back as 98% straight

So we’re now believing the results of a self-selecting poll? A proper survey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#:~:text=In%20this%20survey%2C%20on%20average,know%20or%20won't%20say) showed “ In this survey, on average about 80% of people worldwide identified as heterosexual, 3% as gay, lesbian or homosexual, 4% as bisexual, 1% as pansexual or omnisexual, 1% as asexual, 1% as "other", and 11% don't know or won't say.

So, if you exclude “don’t know” and “won’t say” and then take into account self-selection bias I don’t see that as “overwhelmingly straight”. And anyway, why would it be?

 

[Chicken Run]

So we’re now believing the results of a self-selecting poll? A proper survey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#:~:text=In%20this%20survey%2C%20on%20average,know%20or%20won't%20say) showed “ In this survey, on average about 80% of people worldwide identified as heterosexual, 3% as gay, lesbian or homosexual, 4% as bisexual, 1% as pansexual or omnisexual, 1% as asexual, 1% as "other", and 11% don't know or won't say.

So, if you exclude “don’t know” and “won’t say” and then take into account self-selection bias I don’t see that as “overwhelmingly straight”. And anyway, why would it be?

I’m not sure what is funnier, how seriously you take yourself or the fact you actually thought a Poll was conducted on here

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So we’re now believing the results of a self-selecting poll? A proper survey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#:~:text=In%20this%20survey%2C%20on%20average,know%20or%20won't%20say) showed “ In this survey, on average about 80% of people worldwide identified as heterosexual, 3% as gay, lesbian or homosexual, 4% as bisexual, 1% as pansexual or omnisexual, 1% as asexual, 1% as "other", and 11% don't know or won't say.

So, if you exclude “don’t know” and “won’t say” and then take into account self-selection bias I don’t see that as “overwhelmingly straight”. And anyway, why would it be?

We will need a re-run of the NSC poll though, since it was conducted I am now non-binary.

Regards.

Their Tubthumper.

 

[ManOfSussex]

We will need a re-run of the NSC poll though, since it was conducted I am now non-binary.

Regards.

Their Tubthumper.

Thank you so much. I've now got the courage to make the change to NonBinaryOfSussex with my username too.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thank you so much. I've now got the courage to make the change to NonBinaryOfSussex with my username too.