Its a hard life Oscar.

[dangull]

I don't think that people were disillusioned about where we finished in the last two seasons. Pretty much everyone I know was amazed that we got into the play-offs both times.
But it was the way in which we keeled over without so much as a fight in those play-off games. Now that was hard to take.

Disagree. The 1st game was looking very good for the first 30 minutes, 1-0 up could have 2 or 3 up until giving away a silly penalty.

 

[clippedgull]

Blooper by Oscar!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29067515 Watch the video....blooper around 32 seconds in!

Later in the video he mentions the special place in his heart for Brighton and its fans, that we looked after him in his first season here. He says he wants to beat us (and why wouldn't he?) but after he will shake a lot of hands.

 

[albionite]

Wonder where he got the idea they have amazing fans, like going to a library at their place.
He said the same things when he joined us, just sound bites that he thinks fans want to hear.

 

[Icy Gull]

Yep disappointing he has said the same about Maccabi, Albion and now Watford. He also used the turned down bigger jobs line before he came here too. Surprisingly insincere IMO.

 

[clippedgull]

Wonder where he got the idea they have amazing fans, like going to a library at their place.
He said the same things when he joined us, just sound bites that he thinks fans want to hear.

Yep disappointing he has said the same about Maccabi, Albion and now Watford. He also used the turned down bigger jobs line before he came here too. Surprisingly insincere IMO.

Granted! But players and managers alike trot out the same garbage when the leave/join clubs. Just toeing the party line.

 

[kevo]

I'm starting to get a bit annoyed at being referred to as a "revisionist" form seemingly not thinking that last season was any fun.

Oscar did ok with a good squad but if he'd stayed, another season of football like that would have seriously brought into question my will to keep going week-in-week out (I'd already renewed before he resigned before people use that as a stick to beat me with...). We were staggeringly dull to watch.

In 38 games last season we scored 1 goal or less. To use the Leicester games to point to those complaining about us being dull or Spanish Dave having a rubbish season is frankly ridiculous and only serves to remind me of what the squad was actually capable of, rather than what was regularly delivered.

The playoffs was a good achievement, and Oscar deserves credit for that, but do not try and convince me that it was a fun ride getting there (until Forest).

Very well said.

 

[Triggaaar]

something else was a half dozen teams conspiring to avoid 6th place.

I don't agree, as we finished with 72 points +15 GD, which has been enough for 6th every season since 2009.

 

[fat old seagull]

That's very true. It felt like an extraordinary season. Any other trek, we would have been dead and buried, but other teams seemed keen to finish below, perhaps to avoid the embarrassment.

Well I have to agree, I really gave up on the run in. The home game with Blackpool nearly killed me off. I was so so frustrated with Oscars selections and substitutions, as I recall a lot fans were at that time.
I'm sorry I can't consider Oscar was some sort of messiah because we squeaked into the playoffs. It simply was that as bad as our results were, those around us somehow managed to play worse... though probably not as boring.
Anyhow, good luck to him, and Watford. Only time will tell, I'll watch with interest.

 

[Biscuit]

The only reason they'd hate Garcia is if he didn't get them to a play off place. And I reckon he probably will. However, if this site is anything to go by, there will a few deluded revisionist clowns who approximately 5 months after he's left.will decide he was shit and boring despite any success he might have had.

That's not fair. There's a fair number of us that maintained he was shit and boring throughout his tenure.

 

[kevo]

The only reason they'd hate Garcia is if he didn't get them to a play off place. And I reckon he probably will. However, if this site is anything to go by, there will a few deluded revisionist clowns who approximately 5 months after he's left.will decide he was shit and boring despite any success he might have had.

Wow, just wow. Did you actually visit NSC at all last season? There were a hell of a lot of us who said he was boring despite the success we had. In fact, I'd say that was pretty much the consensual view. There was certainly not a massive Oscar fan club.

 

[smudge]

Wow, just wow. Did you actually visit NSC at all last season? There were a hell of a lot of us who said he was boring despite the success we had. In fact, I'd say that was pretty much the consensual view. There was certainly not a massive Oscar fan club.

Concur!

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't agree, as we finished with 72 points +15 GD, which has been enough for 6th every season since 2009.

Means nothing as every season is unique. If Forest hadn't gone in to meltdown, or if Reading had converted one chance against Burnley (or not bottled other games) we wouldn't have been in with a sniff. We needed other teams to slip up on the last day, you can no more revise that than you can our reaction to Oscar.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Wow, just wow. Did you actually visit NSC at all last season? There were a hell of a lot of us who said he was boring despite the success we had. In fact, I'd say that was pretty much the consensual view. There was certainly not a massive Oscar fan club.

It's revisionist to claim there wasn't a debate about Oscar's football. Suggest Simster looks around March last year, pages 190 onward on this board.

 

[Triggaaar]

Means nothing as every season is unique. If Forest hadn't gone in to meltdown, or if Reading had converted one chance against Burnley (or not bottled other games) we wouldn't have been in with a sniff. We needed other teams to slip up on the last day, you can no more revise that than you can our reaction to Oscar.

Teams slip up every year and it's no surprise Reading didn't beat Burnley, not many teams did. We didn't need other teams to slip up on the last day, we needed 1 team to fail to beat the team that came second. The fact is that we got 72 points, which is a decent total, and would normally put a team in the playoffs.

 

[Stat Brother]

In the season before it became very difficult to drop out of a play off spot, once we finally clawed our way in.

An awful lot of games were lost by the top 10 clubs through March and April.


Of course Oscar's 'style' had it's detractors, and I'm sure plenty of debates were had.

I'm also sure very much the minority were fully against the football.
The majority accepted the style with the win because ... (injury, suspension, transfer policy etc)
There must have been people who were just happy, (hard to believe on this board, I know).

The issue I have is with the majority who took the points, didn't grumble and are now slating the '1-0 boring possession football', saying 'Oscar's a dull manager' 'we didn't sing because of Oscar', and on, and on.

I can name the 5 posters currently saying 'hang on a minute'.
If there was no NSC revisionism that would mean 5,000+ other posters were right 4 months ago, and yet none of them are saying 'See I've said this all along'.

 

[Icy Gull]

This should reinvigorate the discussion. What jumps out at me most though is the fact that the Argus presumably don't bother with proof reading. Check the Oscar headline, was it written by a foreigner?


Oscar insist he always set out to play attacking football at Albion


http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/alb...set_out_to_play_attacking_football_at_Albion/

 

[Mattywerewolf]

Attacking football starts from the back. It is clear that this season we are more attacking than last season. Oscars claim its just because the forwards were injured is false. Sideways passing at the back and the middle blighted us, but despite that, due to the ability of the squad and mostly the defense, we managed to get to the playoffs. For me Poyets last campaign was much more frustrating partly because it was Palace, but mostly because we really should have beaten them at home in the playoff semi.

 

[northernseagull]

The Argus article this morning is utterly unbelievable. I genuinely cannot think of ONE game other than the FA Cup Hull City match where we genuinely went on the attack for the majority of play. Deluded. I genuinely feel sorry for Watford fans.

 

[Guinness Boy]

This should reinvigorate the discussion. What jumps out at me most though is the fact that the Argus presumably don't bother with proof reading. Check the Oscar headline, was it written by a foreigner?


Oscar insist he always set out to play attacking football at Albion


http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/alb...set_out_to_play_attacking_football_at_Albion/

Oscar Garcia has told Watford fans he plans to play attacking football – just like he insists he did with Albion.

The former Seagulls boss has spoken for the first time since taking over at Vicarage Road.

And he has hit back at suggestions he encouraged a conservative playing style at the Amex.

Oscar said a shortage of fit strikers hindered him last term.

So why not play Lita? Who really said 'yes' to Obika and Rodriguez? What about the fairly solid suggestions that Oscar refused at least two 'name' strikers? Why not use Lingard or Ward in more advanced roles or play CMS and Hoskins when they were fit? If strikers were the issue why didn't Oscar sit down with the club and say so? If he had they probably could have pointed to having COG, Colunga and Baldock on their radar (I accept Teixeira is a Sami only signing).

 

[Rookie]

I agree with what he said, the pace was ripped out of the team which limited what he could do.
No man that has grown up in the Barca system and has been chosen a by Johan cruyff to assist him in his early coaching career would set out to play defensive football, circumstances went against him.
He will do well with Watford because they have more going forward than we had last season. Would love to have seen what Oscar could have produced with the backing hyypia has been given.