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Is no statue safe?
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daveinplzen
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Well the fascists doing it makes it OK obviously. You take being stupid very seriously. Respect is due.
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Wonderful piece of music, sends shivers every time, My dad had it played at his funeral, I want it played at mine.
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So. the point of saying it was?
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DF
Someone calling themselves Das Reich is not in a great position to be commenting on Churchill, one of the greatest anti fascists in History. You mess.
pastafarian
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No. I do not have a preference for sir pepe churchill, whoever or whatever you have imagined that to be over the great and real Sir Winston Churchill.
Get well soon.
Quite remarkable is the hypocrisy of those who voted to leave the EU who now claim to respect Churchill. Your vote has helped to tear his groundwork and the sacrifices of an entire generation, asunder. I await your impotent rage. Churchill would have torn Farage to shreds.
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pastafarian
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Churchill was a great leader of this nation decades before the European Union was even formed you wally. In fact he died decades before The European Union became a legal entity.
What a knob.
Oh dear, forgot again that you have me on ignore........never mind
pastafarian
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Was played at my dads funeral as well. A lovely piece of stirring music. Will defiantly have it at mine, not that i will notice......hopefully not too soon either.
Churchill was very much in favour of a United Europe and laid the groundwork, idealogically, for the EU. It's laughable that Brexiteers claim some great respect for the man, when most of them don't know the first thing about the man and his vision for Europe. He would wince at what the UK has become and it's attitude to it's neighbours.
A ‘United States of Europe’
In 1946 Churchill delivered another famous speech, at the University
of Zurich, in which he advocated a ‘United States of Europe’, urging
Europeans to turn their backs on the horrors of the past and look
to the future. He declared that Europe could not afford to drag
forward the hatred and revenge which sprung from the injuries of
the past, and that the first step to recreate the ‘European family’
of justice, mercy and freedom was “to build a kind of United
States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of
toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make
life worth living”.
Council of Europe
With this plea for a United States of Europe, Churchill was
one of the first to advocate European integration to prevent
the atrocities of two world wars from ever happening again,
calling for the creation of a Council of Europe as a first step.
In 1948, in The Hague, 800 delegates from all European
countries met, with Churchill as honorary president, at a grand
Congress of Europe.
This led to the creation of the Council of Europe on 5 May 1949,
the first meeting of which was attended by Churchill himself.
His call to action can be seen as propelling further integration as
later agreed upon during the Messina Conference in 1955, which
led to the Treaty of Rome two years later. It was also Churchill who
would first moot the idea of a ‘European army’ designed to protect
the continent and provide European diplomacy with some muscle.
Furthermore, the European Court of Human Rights was created
in 1959 — a decade after Churchill first championed the idea.
Providing the inspiration to the people of Europe as the
binding factor in the allied fight against Nazism and fascism,
Winston Churchill consequently became a driving force behind
European integration and an active fighter for its cause.
Taken from the Europa Website.
Kinda makes Brexit look rather foolish. He would have despaired of Leave voters.
A ‘United States of Europe’
In 1946 Churchill delivered another famous speech, at the University
of Zurich, in which he advocated a ‘United States of Europe’, urging
Europeans to turn their backs on the horrors of the past and look
to the future. He declared that Europe could not afford to drag
forward the hatred and revenge which sprung from the injuries of
the past, and that the first step to recreate the ‘European family’
of justice, mercy and freedom was “to build a kind of United
States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of
toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make
life worth living”.
Council of Europe
With this plea for a United States of Europe, Churchill was
one of the first to advocate European integration to prevent
the atrocities of two world wars from ever happening again,
calling for the creation of a Council of Europe as a first step.
In 1948, in The Hague, 800 delegates from all European
countries met, with Churchill as honorary president, at a grand
Congress of Europe.
This led to the creation of the Council of Europe on 5 May 1949,
the first meeting of which was attended by Churchill himself.
His call to action can be seen as propelling further integration as
later agreed upon during the Messina Conference in 1955, which
led to the Treaty of Rome two years later. It was also Churchill who
would first moot the idea of a ‘European army’ designed to protect
the continent and provide European diplomacy with some muscle.
Furthermore, the European Court of Human Rights was created
in 1959 — a decade after Churchill first championed the idea.
Providing the inspiration to the people of Europe as the
binding factor in the allied fight against Nazism and fascism,
Winston Churchill consequently became a driving force behind
European integration and an active fighter for its cause.
Taken from the Europa Website.
Kinda makes Brexit look rather foolish. He would have despaired of Leave voters.
pastafarian
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Its always best in these occasions to actually quote some text of a speech you are referencing for context rather than what a website is telling you to think.
“If we are to form the United States of Europe or whatever name or form it may take, we must begin now.
In these present days we dwell strangely and precariously under the shield and protection of the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is still only in the hands of a State and nation which we know will never use it except in the cause of right and freedom. But it may well be that in a few years this awful agency of destruction will be widespread and the catastrophe following from its use by several warring nations will not only bring to an end all that we call civilisation, but may possibly disintegrate the globe itself.
I must now sum up the propositions which are before you.
Our constant aim must be to build and fortify the strength of the United Nations Organisation.
Under and within that world concept, we must re-create the European family in a regional structure called, it may be, the United States of Europe.
The first step is to form a Council of Europe.
If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.
The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny.
In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together.
Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine”
Mr Winston Churchill Zurich I9th September 1946.
when you factor in what he said previously that was published
“We are bound to further every honest and practical step which the nations of Europe may make to reduce the barriers which divide them and to nourish their common interests and their common welfare. We rejoice at every diminution of the internal tariffs and the martial armaments of Europe. We see nothing but good and hope in a richer, freer, more contented European commonalty. But we have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked, but not comprised. We are interested and associated, but not absorbed. And should European statesmen address us in the words which were used of old, ‘Wouldest thou be spoken for to the king, or the captain of the host?’, we should reply, with the Shunammite woman: ‘I dwell among mine own people.'”
Winston Churchill
Its quite clear he wished Britain to be friends and sponsors of a United Europe along with America, Russia and our own commonwealth but at a distance on the outside looking in and not compromised and absorbed by any form a united Europe might take.
If your take is Churchill was pro the formation of and participation in membership of the current European Union, when he died decades before the European Union was even formed then you need your head read.
Educate yourself, stop believing what you are simply told to believe.
But since you have me on ignore you will remain ignorant.......your loss, but worth a try
Anti-facist say you, racist say others.
pastafarian
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I dont agree with you you complete plank, graffiti and criminal damage on any statue is not just FACT checking that somehow absolves the wannker doing it of criminal damage.
If you want to scrawl racist all over a public statue and cause criminal damage, knock yourself out.
Dont whine like a baby when you rightly get arrested for it though.
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