[Politics] Is it time for the UK to become a republic?

[GT49er]

But this is nsc and Brighton/Hove, a bastion of independent thinking (the Greens) and one-time supporters of Corbyn.

If it’s 60% royalist in this parish, the next nationwide polls will show a ‘landslide’ for a monarchy.

Exactly! NSC on royalty is pretty similar to NSC on Brexit. Warm and fuzzy, and generally quite nice, if occasionally spiteful - but on non-Albon matters slightly out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Can live with that........................

 

[Weststander]

Exactly! NSC on royalty is pretty similar to NSC on Brexit. Warm and fuzzy, and generally quite nice, if occasionally spiteful - but on non-Albon matters slightly out of touch with the rest of the UK.

Can live with that........................

Coming polls on Monarchy v Republic will make unpleasant reading for republicans.

The last poll in May revealed 22% republican/68% monarchy/10% don’t know.



I had genuinely thought it would swing to a fresh start with a republic once Lilibet passed, but I see something similar carrying on. I’ve spent lots of time in central London this week, the surprising thing was so many young people and multi cultural paying their respects, in vast numbers. An insight.

 

[jcdenton08]

It’s the classic small reference pools. “All my friends agree”.

Then the usual stunned reaction their “their guy/cause” loses, everybody else is an idiot, onto the next topic, rinse and repeat.

Anybody who takes NSC’s opinion as that of the general population is a fool. It’s like a Guardian/Daily Mail comment section, you know exactly what that particular groupthink will say, so save yourself the time.

NSC happens to be the discussion board for the most liberal city in the country (the world?).

 

[London Irish]

Coming polls on Monarchy v Republic will make unpleasant reading for republicans.

The last poll in May revealed 22% republican/68% monarchy/10% don’t know.

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I had genuinely thought it would swing to a fresh start with a republic once Lilibet passed, but I see something similar carrying on. I’ve spent lots of time in central London this week, the surprising thing was so many young people and multi cultural paying their respects, in vast numbers. An insight.

You thought her death and a week of blanket consent manufacturing by every part of the broadcast media and most of the print would lead to a swing to Republicanism? Lol

 

[London Irish]

It’s the classic small reference pools. “All my friends agree”.

Then the usual stunned reaction their “their guy/cause” loses, everybody else is an idiot, onto the next topic, rinse and repeat.

Anybody who takes NSC’s opinion as that of the general population is a fool. It’s like a Guardian/Daily Mail comment section, you know exactly what that particular groupthink will say, so save yourself the time.

NSC happens to be the discussion board for the most liberal city in the country (the world?).

Again, Brighton city is not the same as a subculture such as the Brighton supporter fan base

 

[Weststander]

You thought her death and a week of blanket consent manufacturing by every part of the broadcast media and most of the print would lead to a swing to Republicanism? Lol

You may well not see a UK republic in your lifetime. Sorry.

Not necessarily a bad thing … no President Johnson, President Bercow, President Corbyn.

To my knowledge the UK simply doesn’t have someone of an almost Teflon coated past, untainted as left or right, who’d be loved by 90% of the public. We don’t have a Mary Robinson or Mary McAleese. I said this the other day, R5 went through some names eg ‘reputed’ judges, each had opponents who considered them left or right. Seems we’re far more like France/US as a binary thinking electorate, than the ROI.

 

[Weststander]

Again, Brighton city is not the same as a subculture such as the Brighton supporter fan base

But closer than you think.

I perused comeonboro and readytogo in the past. Huge support for Brexit and aggression towards to migrants, apologists for males committing sexual assaults (“well, she did lead him on”).

A million miles away from nsc.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Gratified that the vote is relatively close at 40-60 amid the most intense royalist propaganda I’ve ever seen in my five decades. Gives me a lot of hope that my kids might help to finish the democracy job in their time

The poll opened in May and most of the votes were cast before the Queen's death.

 

[GT49er]

Coming polls on Monarchy v Republic will make unpleasant reading for republicans.

The last poll in May revealed 22% republican/68% monarchy/10% don’t know.

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I had genuinely thought it would swing to a fresh start with a republic once Lilibet passed, but I see something similar carrying on. I’ve spent lots of time in central London this week, the surprising thing was so many young people and multi cultural paying their respects, in vast numbers. An insight.

Kindly refrain from sullying NSC with unacceptable facts!

Rationale like that you could be flamed! NSC is generally a bit slightly left of Daiy Mail, dontcha know..................although, cosidering they don't read it, they are avid in posting links to it. Some sort of denial posturing perhaps? Whatever The Mail prints, they seem to be right on it .............. on it like Flynn, in fact. Impressive to do while not reading it............................................

 

[GT49er]

On reflection I'm inclined to leave things alone - for much the same reason that I favoured remaining in the EU. It is better to tinker with a working system to improve it rather than destroy it and hope the next thing will be better. If we wanted we could probably remove the king's remaining constitutional powers, such as dissolving parliament or refusing to confirm an election result, without too much bother, albeit no monarch would be mad enough to pull such a stunt I would have thought, and any future monarch who does go mad will be dealt with long before they go full George III.

As an aside, I find it ironic that the preponderance of active unquestioning support for the monarchy appears to reside with the conservative right, the same cohort, on the whole, who favoured a no-deal Brexit. Funny old world.

Indeed - tinkering rather than smashing and burning and seeing - with bated breath - what fills the vacuum is always a risky stratagem. Just imagine, if Brussels had been a bit more amenable to being tinkered with, they could still have enjoyed the UK's continuing contributions to their funds. A few hundred thousand votes responding to a well presented and valid argument .................................... perhaps they should have tried it...............................

Oh, the fine margins between success and failure (unless, of course, anyone thinks that was a success for the EU).....................

 

[pocketseagull]

How much more amenable should Brussels have been? We had a unique arrangement and squandered it.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You thought her death and a week of blanket consent manufacturing by every part of the broadcast media and most of the print would lead to a swing to Republicanism? Lol

In the longer term, perhaps…… over years rather than days!

But the Windsors have used this period well……. Said he perhaps somewhat cynically.

P.s. although it is sometimes too easy to be cynical.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Does the NHS really have to stop certain things on Monday?

This is madness.

It's also madness that you have to wait 5 months for a mental health referal according to the AD thread. That's utterly shocking and surely the sign of a failed service.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Indeed - tinkering rather than smashing and burning and seeing - with bated breath - what fills the vacuum is always a risky stratagem. Just imagine, if Brussels had been a bit more amenable to being tinkered with, they could still have enjoyed the UK's continuing contributions to their funds. A few hundred thousand votes responding to a well presented and valid argument .................................... perhaps they should have tried it...............................

Oh, the fine margins between success and failure (unless, of course, anyone thinks that was a success for the EU).....................

Erm....I don't think Brexit had anything to to with Brussels responding to 'our' modest requests. You seem to thing that the EU had candidates in the Brexit referendum. Rather an odd take....

Meanwhile, the UK had steadfastly failed to engage with the EU since the day we joined - not putting people forward for committees, not turning up to meetings, and behaving like spoiled brats with occasional ranty demands. I'm surprised they didn't boot us out. It was embarrassing.

But the vote to leave was a con. £350 million a week for the NHS (etc.). Ah, but of course, all that changed because of Covid. Says PM Johnson. Who was thrown out of office by his own party for being a liar.

Apart from that, though, absolutely spot on

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's also madness that you have to wait 5 months for a mental health referal according to the AD thread. That's utterly shocking and surely the sign of a failed service.

There are a few bits and bobs I'd like looked at on the mental health front, but work isn't interested, and the NHS simply doesn't engage with my stuff.

Also, I needed a steroid injection for a tennis elbow recently. In the past I'd get an appointment and one of the GPs would jab me. Now, with our recently-****ed NHS, I first had to make an appointment for a phone consultation. That took 3 weeks. The GP who phoned me was a locum based in Sittingbourne (no connection with my GP surgery). He told me it would be 2 months before I could get an injection. I know enough about this to know that I will either be in agony for another 2 months, or the pain will have gone by then. So my kind of pain is now 'tolerable' and 'in no need of treatment'. Also, the locum did not check whether the 'two jabs per joint per lifetime' criterion was met. So I could be getting an injection that will damage my joint. Luckily I know a bit about all this stuff.

What a total and utter mess. Part of the Brexit bonanza, and the benefits we have all had from the UK's most exciting and gifted PM of all time.

Someone may be along in a minute to tell me to not talk this great country down, on this solemn day of mourning. It seems that 1948 has arrived a bit later than Orwell predicted when revising the title of his book, but it's certainly has arrived.

 

[Half Time Pies]

I have nothing against the royal family and the queen was great but I am now seeing the monarchy in the context of something broader which is that it supports an ongoing system in this country that protects the interests of the upper classes. It's really ludicrous that anyone should be elevated above the rest of the population because of a birth right. This was relevant 100-200 years ago but not now, we should be moving on!

This hybrid system where the monarchy has power but cant use it is ridiculous and coupled with the house of lords gives the impression that their are checks and balances in place that protect the general population when there really aren't. The whole system is geared towards protecting the interests of the ruling classes and we put up with it because 'its history and part of our tradition', I honestly think we are being taken for a ride! Well I would rather dispense with the lot of it, move our parliament out of that outdated building in Westminster, get rid of all the political dogma, abolish the house of lords and let's concentrate on building a democratic system that properly represents the British people with a head of state thats elected.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I have nothing against the royal family and the queen was great but I am now seeing the monarchy in the context of something broader which is that it supports an ongoing system in this country that protects the interests of the upper classes. It's really ludicrous that anyone should be elevated above the rest of the population because of a birth right. This was relevant 100-200 years ago but not now, we should be moving on!

This hybrid system where the monarchy has power but cant use it is ridiculous and coupled with the house of lords gives the impression that their are checks and balances in place that protect the general population when there really aren't. The whole system is geared towards protecting the interests of the ruling classes and we put up with it because 'its history and part of our tradition', I honestly think we are being taken for a ride! Well I would rather dispense with the lot of it, move our parliament out of that outdated building in Westminster, get rid of all the political dogma, abolish the house of lords and let's concentrate on building a democratic system that properly represents the British people with a head of state thats elected.

Jolly good. Must admit the last couple of weeks seems to imply that the system we have already represents the British people rather well. God forbid your miserable black and white vision ever occurs in my lifetime.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Jolly good. Must admit the last couple of weeks seems to imply that the system we have already represents the British people rather well. God forbid your miserable black and white vision ever occurs in my lifetime.

Why is it miserable? It should be a real aspiration for us as a nation that we constantly strive to make our system as democratic as possible rather than remain entrenched in the past.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Why is it miserable? It should be a real aspiration for us as a nation that we constantly strive to make our system as democratic as possible rather than remain entrenched in the past.

Just switch on your TV and take a look. That's our colourful past, present and future. I doubt there's an appetite to replace it with a President with our former Prime Ministers lining up for the trough, I mean job. First thing they'd do would be demand a Palace.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Just switch on your TV and take a look. That's our colourful past, present and future. I doubt there's an appetite to replace it with a President with our former Prime Ministers lining up for the trough, I mean job. First thing they'd do would be demand a Palace.

You do realise all that ceremony, pageantry, shows of strength and wealth, its been used to generations to keep the masses in check! We lap it up, feel a sense of pride, but it doesn't serve the general population one bit.

In this country the Prime Ministers job is as important for us as a US president is for them yet our current prime minister came to power via a tory leadership election with the approval of 81 thousand people! In the US Biden came to power with the approval of 81 million people. We have a prime minister in power that the general population has had no say so on, and a head of state that is in place through being born in to a family and we think thats a democratic way to run a country!