The Belgrano was invading the Falklands? Was it just getting a good run up?
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Is Britain a better place since 1997?
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The Belgrano was invading the Falklands? Was it just getting a good run up?
cannedheat
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Read his post.
That one ch? The one about Britain being better than 1997?
(and about Thatcher's acts, they teach History in schools now...)
Im talking about the fact the Belgrano was not in territorial waters but was still attacked for no reason
To a degree that's true. Here's an article from the Daily Telegraph that paints a slightly different picture as far as the health system in Spain is concerned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/m.../2005/11/28/health2.xml&DCMP=EMC-exp_30112005
There is also a debate in Spain, similar to that in Wales and the West Country, about the inability of locals to keep pace with prices in the aftermath of outsiders (like the British, the biggest single group of immigrants in Spain) coming in and inflating house prices.
Crime? Well, in this country the single biggest ethnic group causing a drain on our country's resources, by miles and miles and miles, are the British. Yes, there are some immigrants who arrive and get involved in crime, but it's a tiny percentage really. Also, the British are not exactly blameless abroad. Shoplifting in Germany is called "Englisch shopping". There's an area in the Alpujarras region of Spain with a hell of a lot of crusty, dreadlocked (and, I'm sorry to say, often very smelly) British hippies/new-agers/whatever you want to call them. Shopkeepers in the local town (Orgiva) can tell you about the huge amount of thieving that goes on whenever they roll into town.
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Gully
Monkey in a seagull suit.
I rarely get splinters in my six o'clock, but I am really not sure that it is either better or worse than 97, there is no doubt in my mind that the early 90's were appalling. We had a crash in the housing market, high unemployment...can anyone remember how many shops were boarded up, only to see life at Christmas time selling cheap wrapping paper, plastic toys and fake trees. However, things had started to pick up when Tony picked up the keys to number 10, the economy was on a reasonable footing and this continued for the next decade.
How do we judge whether it is better, do kids get a better education, has the health service improved, is there a job out there if we want one. The answer to all three has to be yes, but there are reservations, speak to anyone who is a teacher, doctor or nurse and they will tell you that their job is ruined by red tape and performance targets. It appears that we have become obsessed with league tables, surely it would be better to judge success by rates of improvement, not who has passed the most grade A* GCSEs or carried out the greatest number of hernia operations.
People grumble about the prisons being full, it could be argued that the wrong types of people are being sent inside and that other forms of punishment are more appropriate, surely we should be celebrating the fact that if you commit a crime then it is more likely to be detected and that you will pay for it.
On a personal note I feel a lot more secure than I did 10 years ago, it has been a good decade for me, still not convinced that Britain is a better place to live in though.
How do we judge whether it is better, do kids get a better education, has the health service improved, is there a job out there if we want one. The answer to all three has to be yes, but there are reservations, speak to anyone who is a teacher, doctor or nurse and they will tell you that their job is ruined by red tape and performance targets. It appears that we have become obsessed with league tables, surely it would be better to judge success by rates of improvement, not who has passed the most grade A* GCSEs or carried out the greatest number of hernia operations.
People grumble about the prisons being full, it could be argued that the wrong types of people are being sent inside and that other forms of punishment are more appropriate, surely we should be celebrating the fact that if you commit a crime then it is more likely to be detected and that you will pay for it.
On a personal note I feel a lot more secure than I did 10 years ago, it has been a good decade for me, still not convinced that Britain is a better place to live in though.
Barrel of Fun
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Looking at the larger picture, I am not sure what to believe.
We are constantly given figures showing that Britain is a better place, but are these figures correct? The Government stated that there were 510 rough sleepers in the country, yet local figures showed that there were 509 sleeping rough in Brighton and Hove alone! This is just one example.
I don't trust this government at all.
We are supposedly a richer nation from 10 years ago, but have services improved? Are we a safer place to live?
We are constantly given figures showing that Britain is a better place, but are these figures correct? The Government stated that there were 510 rough sleepers in the country, yet local figures showed that there were 509 sleeping rough in Brighton and Hove alone! This is just one example.
I don't trust this government at all.
We are supposedly a richer nation from 10 years ago, but have services improved? Are we a safer place to live?
Couldn't agree more about performance targets and the like. However this seems to be a typically right thing, from economic sources anyway. It's always seemingly justified as "introducing indicators that will make public institutions more competitive", but it is really a waste of time. Strategic review this or that, it doesn't alter the fact that if you're a good teacher you have to engage with students, just because you have a lesson plan for every lesson for the next three years which is applicable and meets ofsted standards, it doesn't necessarily make you a good teacher.
Teaching shouldn't be run like a business because it ISNT a business.
withdeanwombat
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It is ten years worse.The grim reaper approacheth. SO IT IS SAID.
north stand falmer
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Oh they teach History in schools now but what kind, that's the main issue. It's nothing to do with English.
Have a look for yourself, left a link for the teachers site.
http://www.teachers.tv/video/5458
cannedheat
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Brown will be pulling the strings for a while god knows what he will do to England I shudder to think, however it will be Brown that paves the way for a Cameron victory at the next election.
God save the Queen and England.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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What's your alternative then?
If you follow the link, and go to History, one of the main subjects on the curriculum is "Britain since the 1930s". That would probably cover it.
north stand falmer
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No it doesn't cover it. The topic of this thread is as above. I posted a link and it says about today. The part between 5.50-6.50 is the issue about history that this counrty is lacking under this goverment.
If you go back to my post, it was in reply to the accusation that people who are "young" today, will know nothing about Thatcher. I was pointing out that history might teach about Thatcher. "Britain since 1930" would cover Thatcher.
Griffin I would imagine.
British Bulldog
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We were at war and the Belgrano was a threat to our ships or is that not reason enough? Maybe we should've waited untill it sank a few of our ships & killed our servicemen?
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Certainly less disposable income under labour
Hatterlovesbrighton
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Of course Britian is a better place. The economy has grown which means that people have more money and the Government has more tax to spend. That doesn't mean it couldn't be better.
Health provision has got far better. 10 years ago the papers were filled with horror stories of people waiting 3 years for operations. Now if you wait 3 months it is considered a failure.
On crime, the reason why our jails are busting open is that Governments have been increasing jail terms in reaction to pressure from the public. Crime is going down.
The worst thing that has happened in the last 10 years is the increase in fear. Everyone is afraid that they will get mugged the minute they walk out the door. Every parent fears that they kid will get abducted by a paedo the second they let them out of their sight.
Now has crime gone up? No it's gone down. Is there really any more paedophiles now than there was 20 years ago? I doubt it.
What there is of course, is far greater awareness. If a kid goes missing, its on the front page of websites within hours. Every piece of news is "sensational" or a "scandal" when actually its not. The Madeline McCann story is one of the biggest examples of this. As tragic as it is would a story such as this really got the same amount of coverage if there wasn't 24 hours news stations and websites.
Health provision has got far better. 10 years ago the papers were filled with horror stories of people waiting 3 years for operations. Now if you wait 3 months it is considered a failure.
On crime, the reason why our jails are busting open is that Governments have been increasing jail terms in reaction to pressure from the public. Crime is going down.
The worst thing that has happened in the last 10 years is the increase in fear. Everyone is afraid that they will get mugged the minute they walk out the door. Every parent fears that they kid will get abducted by a paedo the second they let them out of their sight.
Now has crime gone up? No it's gone down. Is there really any more paedophiles now than there was 20 years ago? I doubt it.
What there is of course, is far greater awareness. If a kid goes missing, its on the front page of websites within hours. Every piece of news is "sensational" or a "scandal" when actually its not. The Madeline McCann story is one of the biggest examples of this. As tragic as it is would a story such as this really got the same amount of coverage if there wasn't 24 hours news stations and websites.