[Football] Is anyone else embarrassed by the booing of the German national anthem

[Springal]

I was there - don’t normally boo but did. To be fair big occasion, wanted to make the most of a home crowd to build an atmosphere in a huge game against old rivals. The Germans boo’d Hungary when they played so fair game

 

[Is it PotG?]

Ukraine now, why?

Beats a manbag I suppose

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Beats a manbag I suppose

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Good tip, a back pack will certainly be more practical for when me and my friends take the knee.

 

[Springal]

Last time we played in Germany….

https://youtu.be/crYEEf3g3us

 

[Hamilton]

To take a real world example of that. Golf is largely played in silence to respectful crowds and as a result hardly registers in the public consciousness. There are numerous examples - Patrick Reed, Bubba Watson and Ian Poulter the 3 most obvious - who thrive off the football style atmosphere of a Ryder Cup and normally reserve their best performances for it. Likewise, some of the better golfers on paper crumble under the pressure.

Hostile, often disrespectful, atmospheres can make a massive difference to performance, good or bad.

I think you are mistaking passionate support for booing another national anthem.

I look forward to watching the crowds at the Ryder Cup boo the Star Spangled Banner.

And Golf hardly registers? Really.

In Cricket there is a raucous crowd, but fortunately those fans understand where the line is drawn between banter and being a nationalistic obnoxious oik.

I seem to be able to passionately support England without disrespecting another country's anthem. Weird how others find that simple as so impossible.

We had managed to stamp this out, but it has been allowed to creep back in.

 

[Is it PotG?]

In Cricket there is a raucous crowd, but fortunately those fans understand where the line is drawn between banter and being a nationalistic obnoxious oik.

 

[Hamilton]

Yep, you hear that all the time at every Test match. (Not)

 

[portslade seagull]

Last time we played in Germany….

https://youtu.be/crYEEf3g3us

But your not allowed to point that out. It's only the nasty English that boo. But you can also add the Italians, Turkish an plenty more

 

[sydney]

Good tip, a back pack will certainly be more practical for when me and my friends take the knee.

surely you could just pop your clutch under your arm.

 

[b.w.2.]

Great result tonight, but the booing and disrespect of the oppositions national anthem I find absolutely embarrassing.

I do too… even tho it is Germany


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[Billy the Fish]

Last time we played in Germany….

https://youtu.be/crYEEf3g3us

I wonder if Germany had it's own army of online chinless wet wipes who woke up the next morning ashamed while crying into their bratwurst

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I think you are mistaking passionate support for booing another national anthem.

I look forward to watching the crowds at the Ryder Cup boo the Star Spangled Banner.

And Golf hardly registers? Really.

In Cricket there is a raucous crowd, but fortunately those fans understand where the line is drawn between banter and being a nationalistic obnoxious oik.

I seem to be able to passionately support England without disrespecting another country's anthem. Weird how others find that simple as so impossible.

We had managed to stamp this out, but it has been allowed to creep back in.

So giving Patrick Reed absolute dogs abuse at a Ryder Cup or booing Ponting out to bat is pashun and bantz but booing the national anthem makes you a nationalistic oik? I find the logic that doing the same thing but having a different outcome bizarre (and the comments Reed got was way way worse than booing a tune). I'd also like to test the thoery that a cricket crowd knows where the line is in the final hour of a test match in the Eric Hollies stand. In reality, there is an equal amount of dickheads at each of those events who take things too far.

I'm also not sure why you think it has ever been stamped out. At Sven's first game I walked to the stadium to the delights of I'd rather be a **** than a Turk, there were 10 German bombers in the air for the final 15 minutes of the Croatia game in 2004 and there were running battles in the streets at Marseille 5 years ago. I'd imagine there were bigger fish to fry than a national anthem being booed which has happened for as long as I can remember.

 

[Justice]

The trouble with a lot of English is they feel embarrassed to be English plain and simple. If we had played up the road the Scots would of booed us to oblivion and enjoyed every second of it.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The trouble with a lot of English is they feel embarrassed to be English plain and simple. If we had played up the road the Scots would of booed us to oblivion and enjoyed every second of it.

Interestingly it is a peculiarly English phenomenon and one I have discussed with friends abroad who are as perplexed by it as we are.

 

[bobbysmith01]

So hated, we’ve won it 5 times, and runner up 15 times.

Don't think for about 20 years. I can assure you we are not liked abroad.


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[Bold Seagull]

So giving Patrick Reed absolute dogs abuse at a Ryder Cup or booing Ponting out to bat is pashun and bantz but booing the national anthem makes you a nationalistic oik? I find the logic that doing the same thing but having a different outcome bizarre (and the comments Reed got was way way worse than booing a tune). I'd also like to test the thoery that a cricket crowd knows where the line is in the final hour of a test match in the Eric Hollies stand. In reality, there is an equal amount of dickheads at each of those events who take things too far.

I'm also not sure why you think it has ever been stamped out. At Sven's first game I walked to the stadium to the delights of I'd rather be a **** than a Turk, there were 10 German bombers in the air for the final 15 minutes of the Croatia game in 2004 and there were running battles in the streets at Marseille 5 years ago. I'd imagine there were bigger fish to fry than a national anthem being booed which has happened for as long as I can remember.

All of which is why our booing of a national anthem is not pantomime and completely different from the examples you give before that.

Ricky Ponting will actually get an ovation from an English crowd if he scores a century in a crucial Ashes match against England, even though he was boo'd when he came out to bat.

 

[bobbysmith01]

Doesn’t tally with my experience. Genuine question; have you ever lived abroad ?

Not lived, worked a lot in the Nordics and middle east. Was told once by a Swede, that it's expected in Sweden to like the English, but deep down they don't like us. Think Brexit and our general behaviour of our young people abroad on holidays and sometimes football, has created the issue. I know some other countries boo National Anthems, but personally think it's pathetic and we should be above it, but unfortunately we are not.


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[Eeyore]

But your not allowed to point that out. It's only the nasty English that boo. But you can also add the Italians, Turkish an plenty more

Point it out as much as you like. Others do it. Still makes it cringe worthy. For me anyway.

 

[Eeyore]

The trouble with a lot of English is they feel embarrassed to be English plain and simple. If we had played up the road the Scots would of booed us to oblivion and enjoyed every second of it.

I don't. Far from it.

But if you feel folk are embarrassed then my question is simply: What do you feel it is that causes their embarrassment ?

My take is that folk are not embarrassed to be English. They are embarrassed by some actions and attitudes that may be associated with it by default.

I'm one of those.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Not lived, worked a lot in the Nordics and middle east. Was told once by a Swede, that it's expected in Sweden to like the English, but deep down they don't like us. Think Brexit and our general behaviour of our young people abroad on holidays and sometimes football, has created the issue. I know some other countries boo National Anthems, but personally think it's pathetic and we should be above it, but unfortunately we are not.


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And yet I have completely the opposite impression after working internationally for over 30 years and living abroad for 6 of those years.