Ireland

[Happy Seagull]

FFS Mr Pies no one says you can't have an opinion, but when you base your arguement on stereotyping irish, welsh and scots its a no brainer.

 

[Mick Beard BHA]

Secondly, ever heard of the (now defunct) Home Nations Tournament. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and, wait for it, wait for it... Ireland.

Thats where the term, when used in football, comes from.

Aww Myob, i hate to cause a 'split in the party' (as we tend to do on occasion..) but the Home Internationals Tournament never included The Republic.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

they should bring back the home internationals, we would win something!

 

[Pavilionaire]

Aww Myob, i hate to cause a 'split in the party' (as we tend to do on occasion..) but the Home Internationals Tournament never included The Republic.

I'm glad somebody else knew this, I couldn't be bothered to correct this factual slip-up earlier.

The Republic Of Ireland, aka Eire, is NOT a home nation. Jack Charlton is no longer manager, they actually play Irish people now instead of English / Scots, so there is NO reason why they should get the airtime they do.

I refuse to be a plastic paddy.

 

[SussexHoop]

A couple of absolute crackers in this thread ....

Thimble Keegan - 'I cannot be arsed to read every post on this thread but it does irritate me that Ireland get so much coverage...They are a completely different country in my opinion.'

El Presidente - 'Therefore I have no beef with the BBC. It's not as if Gary Lineker is presenting International Match of the Day wearing a green suit and carrying a pig under his arm.'



I'd be livid if they didn't show Wales and Scotland ... makes me realise just how good England are

 

[El Presidente]

Cant believe you are still asking for me to Clarlify this it really is Simple - the Irish team gets the same treatment as the home nations when it isnt one - its a foreign team!


Comprende?!

I do Compedre (although being a Spud thick Mick you may have to repeat things slowly to me of course) and I repeat

1. Northern Ireland had 90 minutes of the match and half an hour of analysis on the BBC on Saturday

2. The Republic had two 30 second reports showing the goals from their match.

BBC Wales also had major reports on their teams match on Saturday night, and Scotland were only playing a friendly. If Scotland are at home then BBC Scotland show highlights of their matches first instead of Englands. Once again this does not occur in relation to the Republic.

Conclusion:

The home nations receive considerably more coverage from the BBC than the Republic does.

I accept that the Republic receive more coverage than say France or other european nations, and that is probably due to the fact that there are at least 1.5 million first or second generation Irish living over here, and they have an interest in how 'their' team has performed.

Every single Republic player plays for an English team, and again this is unique and warrants extra attention in the eyes of the BBC controllers.

 

[Half Time Pies]

I do Compedre (although being a Spud thick Mick you may have to repeat things slowly to me of course) and I repeat

1. Northern Ireland had 90 minutes of the match and half an hour of analysis on the BBC on Saturday

2. The Republic had two 30 second reports showing the goals from their match.

BBC Wales also had major reports on their teams match on Saturday night, and Scotland were only playing a friendly. If Scotland are at home then BBC Scotland show highlights of their matches first instead of Englands. Once again this does not occur in relation to the Republic.

Conclusion:

The home nations receive considerably more coverage from the BBC than the Republic does.

Rubbish - on football focus the Irish got the same amount of time as all the home nations, why?

England did not have their game shown on the BBC or the highlights so using the same yardstick would you say that Northern Ireland and the Republic get more coverage than England?! Of course not.

Maybe a part of it is because the Irish often get to major championships, whereas (apart from England) the Home Nations rarely do, but we definately see more of the Irish National Team on TV in England than we do the Welsh for example.

Having said all this I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one!

 

[El Presidente]

IRubbish - on football focus the Irish got the same amount of time as all the home nations, why?

England did not have their game shown on the BBC or the highlights so using the same yardstick would you say that Northern Ireland and the Republic get more coverage than England?! Of course not.

Maybe a part of it is because the Irish often get to major championships, whereas (apart from England) the Home Nations rarely do, but we definately see more of the Irish National Team on TV in England than we do the Welsh for example.

Having said all this I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one!

Did not see Football Focus so can't comment, but with regards to your comments about the Welsh, when they were in the play-offs for Euro 2004 the BBC showed both of their matches live, as well as their final match in the group stages away to Italy, where they were tanked 4-0.

This certainly would have exceeded their coverage of the Republic in similar circumstances (BBC did not show the woeful 2-0 defeat against Switzerland live by the Republic under the dodgy leadership of Brian 'Wayne' Kerr which ruined their play off hopes for example)

The BBC will show matches where the home nations have a chance of qualifying, but in the last ten years (Euro '96 excepted) Scotland and Wales have been out of contention for progression to the finals nearly as quickly as Palace are going to be relegated this season. If the BBC showed Wales v Iceland live on TV in front of 11,000 sheep worriers in Cardiff for the prestigious battle for fourth place in Qualifying Group 7 of the 2002 World Cup would anyone have watched it?

As for Ray Stubbs saying the Republic were part of the Home Nations, that is just factually incorrect and ignorant, but what else do you expect of someone who has had an education in Merseyside?

 

[Captain Sensible]

And people call the Irish THICK? They made you pay to watch Calamity on Saturday? SAKE, even the Irish-Americans, not exactly the brightest specimens of our race, are putting one over on you

Whats thick about that? I think you're the one thats having problems grasping the situation. Fact is that Setana charge the relaying of Premierleague and National football at a very high price for the bars and clubs showing it. The point was that most bars that show football in the US are Irish. So they show whichever game they can make the most money out of to pay for the relaying. All the bars do it. Point I was making is that they would rather show and England game for the English than an RoI game for the Irish. Mainly because they will pack the place out. They won't with an RoI game. If they showed an RoI match you would still have to pay 20usdollars. In that case would I get in (for nothing)as I'm not interested in the RoIreland match? Probably not. You think that they show matches relayed to the USA for Free?? You Twat!

 

[Half Time Pies]

Did not see Football Focus so can't comment, but with regards to your comments about the Welsh, when they were in the play-offs for Euro 2004 the BBC showed both of their matches live, as well as their final match in the group stages away to Italy, where they were tanked 4-0.

This certainly would have exceeded their coverage of the Republic in similar circumstances (BBC did not show the woeful 2-0 defeat against Switzerland live by the Republic under the dodgy leadership of Brian 'Wayne' Kerr which ruined their play off hopes for example)

The BBC will show matches where the home nations have a chance of qualifying, but in the last ten years (Euro '96 excepted) Scotland and Wales have been out of contention for progression to the finals nearly as quickly as Palace are going to be relegated this season. If the BBC showed Wales v Iceland live on TV in front of 11,000 sheep worriers in Cardiff for the prestigious battle for fourth place in Qualifying Group 7 of the 2002 World Cup would anyone have watched it?

As for Ray Stubbs saying the Republic were part of the Home Nations, that is just factually incorrect and ignorant, but what else do you expect of someone who has had an education in Merseyside?

What about John Lennon or 4 times British Prime Minister William Gladstone who incidentally was the first person to successfully (although it was later rejected by the House of Lords) push through parliment the Bill for Irish Home Rule?! They were educated in Merseyside - all scousers are not thick you know

For the record my Masters Degree was from the University of Sussex.

In my opinion the Irish team (as a foreign team) gets more coverage than I think it deserves (and it looks like im not alone), thats just my opinion and like I said before think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Cian]

For many many years in the early 1990's, RTE showed Italian lower league football, paid for with Irish licence fee money. I didn't watch it, didn't want to watch it.

However, I didn't have some racist paranoia about "Oh, they're showing more Italian football than Irish football, there must be some motive behind it"

 

[London Irish]

Whats thick about that? I think you're the one thats having problems grasping the situation. Fact is that Setana charge the relaying of Premierleague and National football at a very high price for the bars and clubs showing it. The point was that most bars that show football in the US are Irish. So they show whichever game they can make the most money out of to pay for the relaying. All the bars do it. Point I was making is that they would rather show and England game for the English than an RoI game for the Irish. Mainly because they will pack the place out. They won't with an RoI game. If they showed an RoI match you would still have to pay 20usdollars. In that case would I get in (for nothing)as I'm not interested in the RoIreland match? Probably not. You think that they show matches relayed to the USA for Free?? You Twat!

There is no doubt, there is an art to this banter. Thanks for clearing that one up, Captain

 

[hill 16 southwick]

Let's take a look at the footie on tv this week...

Tues:5.30pm: Poland u-21 v England u-21, Sky Sports 1 8pm. Scotland u-21 v Slovenia u-21, Sky Sports Extra.
Wed: 7.30pm: Poland v England Sky Sports 1. 8pm Wales v N.Ireland, Sports 2. 8pm: Scotland v Slovenia, Sports 3. 10pm Germany v Brazil, Bravo

Sat: 7pm, Real Madrid v Numancia, Sports 3, 9pm Barcelona v Sevilla.
Sun: 7.30pm Sampdoria v Lazio, British Eurosport, 8.30pm Albacete v Atletico Madrid, Sports 1

Don't see Ireland anywhere. Probably have to pay a tenner to watch them on Setana. Does it really matter about the coverage. At the end of the day it's just another chance to watch a game.

It's not as if Ireland would ever be shown on BBC / Sky etc instead of a England game, now is it.

 

[hill 16 southwick]

Here's a strange one. Was in New York for the England Austria game. Watched it in an Irish Pub, run by Irish people. No coverage of the Ireland game at all. However they charge 20usdollars to watch the game (which is the same for all games, Premier etc..), Loads of England fans in there. So you could say how nice of them to show the England match and not the Ireland game. But then again, the England fans outnumbered anyone irish or Irish/American by about 3 to 1. So The English paid 20usd to watch it so by rights the England game was shown on all screens in there. However, some of the Irish were let in free of charge on the grounds that they weren't watching the match. Load of Bollocks! They were almost dancing around in their ledderhosen slapping eachothers arses when ever Austira were in Possesion. My work mate (female) has no interest in Football and was made to pay because she was English and not American/Irish? Confused? I was. So not quite sure what the morale is in that. Most Irish bars in NYC show the England matches Instead of their own, but only because us English will pack out their pub and pay to watch the game.

 

[hill 16 southwick]

Here's a strange one. Was in New York for the England Austria game. Watched it in an Irish Pub, run by Irish people. No coverage of the Ireland game at all. However they charge 20usdollars to watch the game (which is the same for all games, Premier etc..), Loads of England fans in there. So you could say how nice of them to show the England match and not the Ireland game. But then again, the England fans outnumbered anyone irish or Irish/American by about 3 to 1. So The English paid 20usd to watch it so by rights the England game was shown on all screens in there. However, some of the Irish were let in free of charge on the grounds that they weren't watching the match. Load of Bollocks! They were almost dancing around in their ledderhosen slapping eachothers arses when ever Austira were in Possesion. My work mate (female) has no interest in Football and was made to pay because she was English and not American/Irish? Confused? I was. So not quite sure what the morale is in that. Most Irish bars in NYC show the England matches Instead of their own, but only because us English will pack out their pub and pay to watch the game.

Not really surprised that they had the England game on instead of Ireland considering Ireland kicked off 41/2 hours earlier

 

[swiss tony]

I still cry with laughter recalling Partridge's line about the Irish and the potato famine: "Well I'm afraid if you can afford to emigrate, you can afford to eat in a modestly priced restaurant".

 

[Captain Sensible]

There is no doubt, there is an art to this banter. Thanks for clearing that one up, Captain

Oh you were joking. Didn't realise. Yes it is an art isn't it.

 

[London Irish]

Oh you were joking. Didn't realise. Yes it is an art isn't it.

Isn't this entire thread a wind-up? I'm sure you thought so too but then suddenly you felt you had a point to make. Stick with the Roy Keane jokes