Iran to go Nuclear

[itszamora]

1) What genocide?

Nuking Israel? Driving the jews into the sea.

2) Iranians aren't Arabs

True but Syrians are, I was generalising. We are not europeans, but then again maybe we are depending who you talk to.

3) The moorish caliphates of Spain were enlightened Kingdoms which allowed art and science to flourish. They allowed ahigh degree of religious freedom unlike their (christian, western) succesors

Which begs the question what went wrong and why do 20% of British Muslims sypathise with Bin Laden.

They are far more likely to start murdering us if we start bombing them. I know its alien to Bush, but if we actually try and build decent relations with the Arab world (by not bankrolling Israel's repeated violation of UN resolutions for one thing) then they might not hate us quite as much.

This is conjecture and try not to state opinion as fact unless you cant tell the difference.

Why do they hate us? Who exactley is "us"?

When was Israel nuked? Unless it was in the last 5 minutes I'm unaware of it. Equally saying 20% of British Muslims sympathise with Bin Laden still means the majority (and a huge one at that) of 80% do not agree with what he says he is doing in the name of their religion.

Also I am perfectly aware of the difference between opinion and fact, and so are you. Does this mean if you are going to be pedantic that I have to say 'in my opinion' before everything I say? Of course what I'm saying is opinion, but so is all of what you have been 'presenting as fact' to use your own phrase. No-one can state facts regarding the future unless they have some rather cool powers I, in which case I would like to speak to them.

 

[looney]

When was Israel nuked?

It wasn't youve missed the thread of my arguement.

Equally saying 20% of British Muslims sympathise with Bin Laden still means the majority (and a huge one at that) of 80% do not agree with what he says he is doing in the name of their religion.

True but its the 20% 0r 200,000 to 300,000(depending what statistics you beleive) that I am worried about. How many of them could one day follow through on Jihad etc? How many would it take to tear our country apart?


I already apolgised for the snide opinion/fact comment. Ive been reading to many of LI's posts, probably.

 

[itszamora]

Sorry for being a bit ofhand Samprish but the arguement you are putting forward is appeasement. Dictators need the big stick.

True this is my opinion but Historically I'm in the right.

Firstly my argument is more one of conciliation than appeasement as I'm not suggesting that we give any state anything they are demanding. In fact the only state in the region we are appeasing is Israel which as I have stated earlier I strongly disagree with.

Also we are in a very different situation from 65 years or so ago. Back then we did not have the military or economic strength to do anything else but appease, and even then it is argued that Hitler in fact gave way to Chamberlain by agreeing to the Munich conference rather than pressing ahead with his planned invasion of Czechoslovakia which would have resulted in a war with France and Britain that he was not prepared for. Also up until that point his intentions looked honourable as he appeared to simply be re-uniting Germans (ie Austria, the Rhineland, the Sudetenland). Of course we now know better, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Nowadays we have the military strength to choose our policy which we didn't then. However I do not believe appeasement is the right solution to this particular situation.

 

[itszamora]

When was Israel nuked?

It wasn't youve missed the thread of my arguement.

Equally saying 20% of British Muslims sympathise with Bin Laden still means the majority (and a huge one at that) of 80% do not agree with what he says he is doing in the name of their religion.

True but its the 20% 0r 200,000 to 300,000(depending what statistics you beleive) that I am worried about. How many of them could one day follow through on Jihad etc? How many would it take to tear our country apart?


I already apolgised for the snide opinion/fact comment. Ive been reading to many of LI's posts, probably.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree, but I'd be far more worried about that minority if we start bombing Muslim countries again.

 

[3gulls]

Can I just check I understand you right. Are you saying you think that as soon as the Iranians get hold of nuclear weapons they are going to use them?

No, but I am saying that if it kicks-off when they have them them they are highly likely to use them. Also, it is highly likely that it will kick-off at some point because they are loonies.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Culturally, the West and the Middle Eastern States are poles apart (and I know that I am generalising here!) The West "traditionally" favours diplomacy wheras this is seen as a sign of weakness in the Middle East. Democracy will never work in this region as the indigenous populations will only respect strong uncompromising leadership because this is all they know. When the US attack Iran & Syria and try to impose "democracy" the region will implode into full scale civil war with the fundamentalists getting exactly the situation that they want.

 

[ILOVEBHA]

If anyone dares to attack Iran then they will feel the full force of the Muslim Nations.Iran is no Iraq or other Arab country,they are a country with a history sretching back many years before America was even discovered.They are the supreme power of the Middle east and have a very hard trained army and many weapons and planes so i think a strike is very unlikelly to happen and if one did then Unfortunatelly Israel will feel the backlash.

Finally Iranians are not Arabs.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

If anyone dares to attack Iran then they will feel the full force of the Muslim Nations.Iran is no Iraq or other Arab country,they are a country with a history sretching back many years before America was even discovered.They are the supreme power of the Middle east and have a very hard trained army and many weapons and planes so i think a strike is very unlikelly to happen and if one did then Unfortunatelly Israel will feel the backlash.

Finally Iranians are not Arabs.

Is this the same Iran that was defeated by Iraq?

 

[3gulls]

If anyone dares to attack Iran then they will feel the full force of the Muslim Nations.Iran is no Iraq or other Arab country,they are a country with a history sretching back many years before America was even discovered.They are the supreme power of the Middle east and have a very hard trained army and many weapons and planes so i think a strike is very unlikelly to happen and if one did then Unfortunatelly Israel will feel the backlash.

Finally Iranians are not Arabs.

Yes, of course they are f***ing great - they managed to smash Iraq's war machine.

The rag-tops have taken them back to the dark ages.

 

[ILOVEBHA]

Is this the same Iran that was defeated by Iraq?

From what i remember Iran was not defeated by Iraq(Backed by U.S.A/U.K)

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

clearly your memories are a little different to the history of the conflict - when the (ironically) Israeli backed Iranians were on the retreat when the ceasefire came.