[Albion] Interesting read about Brian Cloughs time as Manager....

[Dan The Man]

Thought it was interesting and worth a share, hope the link works, apologies in advance if it doesn’t

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/history/new-book-sheds-light-brian-2077082

 

[Mackenzie]

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...h-October-you-re-all-invited&highlight=vignes


Bit more info on this thread.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I'm sorry but in view of his subsequent posturing about honour, fairness and socialist solidarity Clough's behaviour at the Albion suggests he was a hypocritical little oik. Another book, called something along the lines of "Providing you don't kiss me", by Nottingham journalist Duncan Hamilton underscores this. He had his problems but he took them out of people weaker than him. He was a bully. One or two hilarious tales have emerged about his days at the Goldstone but Clough deserves no praise for his efforts among us loathsome southerners - that belongs to Mike Bamber, who brought him to the club, looked after him well and was treated appallingly.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm sorry but in view of his subsequent posturing about honour, fairness and socialist solidarity Clough's behaviour at the Albion suggests he was a hypocritical little oik. Another book, called something along the lines of "Providing you don't kiss me", by Nottingham journalist Duncan Hamilton underscores this. He had his problems but he took them out of people weaker than him. He was a bully. One or two hilarious tales have emerged about his days at the Goldstone but Clough deserves no praise for his efforts among us loathsome southerners - that belongs to Mike Bamber, who brought him to the club, looked after him well and was treated appallingly.

This.

Maureen of the 70s, with added drink

 

[BLOCK F]

A horrible little shit, who took the piss out of the club and Mike Bamber.
Completely destroyed players' morale at the time.
Later on, after signing Wardy, he completely mismanaged him and out of spite wouldn't let him play in the Cup Final for us.
A turd of the finest order and I haven't even visited the 'alleged dodgy financial dealings' of the man.

 

[knocky1]

I always thought he set the team up nicely for Peter Taylor before deciding to leave for the biggest club the world has ever known.

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

When he was manager of Forest and they had won the European cup etc they played us the following year ( I think ??)
My missus who was my girlfriend at the time had a thing for John Robertson and a few other players in the side so I took her along for her for her one and only time at The Goldstone.
All the big names were in the programme to play that day but when the teams were announced half of them weren't in the side ( back in the day they printed the programme in a Tuesday u think )
Anyway the game was over and she said she was that disappointed these players weren't playing she was going to write to Mr Clough.
This she did when we got home and duly posted it, I just said your wasting your time etc.
A week later in the post is a letter from Notts Forest and inside is a handwritten letter from Brian Clough apologising about the missing players and explaining the reasons and finishing off with a thanks for attending and for that reason I think the man is a proper football legend, no matter what he done later in his career.
Still got the letter at home somewhere as well.

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[Balders]

Interestingly a member of our Golf Club is a guy called Ken Goodeve (there's a few bits going back a few years on NSC about him and other bits via Google)

He was an expensive signing from Luton - a couple of times we've had a "chat" about his career and he won't say a lot about his time at Brighton under Mr Clough, and what he does say ain't complimentary!

 

[GT49er]

A horrible little shit, who took the piss out of the club and Mike Bamber.
Completely destroyed players' morale at the time.

Strange really - although I obviously had no first hand experience, nor any real evidence, that - and most of what was in that linked article - is exactly what I thought at the time.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Bamber had done his homework and knew that throwing shedloads of money at them would at least suck in Taylor and he would, hopefully, carry Clough with him. The ruse worked, although its obvious that Clough had serious misgivings.
They started to repay some of the financial investment in them by putting 10,000 extra on the gate for their first home game but when it was clear they weren't miracle workers, gates started to drop back again. Taylor was more committed and did most of the work. Clough was knee deep in media work and kept doing it.
Time was what was needed and Clough wasn't prepared to start near the bottom again. He'd done all that with Hartlepool and didn't feel he had to prove himself again. Taylor was different. He'd work anywhere if the money was right.
Who knows what they would have achieved given 3-4 years at BHA.
Sadly, Clough will always be remembered for 7 days of humiliation.............
Bristol R ( H )....2-8
Walton & Hersham ( H )....0-4
Tranmere ( A ).....1-4
It still makes me wince now just thinking about it.

 

[mikeyjh]

Time was what was needed and Clough wasn't prepared to start near the bottom again. He'd done all that with Hartlepool and didn't feel he had to prove himself again.

It's worth reading what Clough says about this also - He was settled in Derby (Quarndon to be precise) had 3 young children and a wife that he couldn't easily move at that time, I think that's more important that 'starting near the bottom again' - Forest were in a similar position when he went there. He was scathing about the players at Brighton in his autobiography, so I'm not entirely surprised some of them have given it back....

Sadly, Clough will always be remembered for 7 days of humiliation.............
Bristol R ( H )....2-8
Walton & Hersham ( H )....0-4
Tranmere ( A ).....1-4
It still makes me wince now just thinking about it.

Not outside of Brighton he won't be!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

He did bring in Peter Grummitt arguably one of the best ever goalkeepers we’ve had.

Taylor did alright on his own, narrowly missing out, the away form letting us down (incidentally playing in green shirts as I recall.......... just saying).

Taylor also brought in Horton and Ward, so not all bad.


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[ewe2]

Clough was the beginning of what we are today IMO.

 

[Brovion]

Clough was the beginning of what we are today IMO.

I agree. Not so much him but the ambition the club (or more specifically Mike Bamber) had shown by even going after him in the first place. It is quite legitimate to split the Albion''s history into two eras: the era BC ('Before Clough') when we were happy just to be a seaside town with a third division football team, and the modern era when we've always looked to move beyond our humble beginnings.

We were the butt of jokes though. I remember an episode of Morecambe and Wise where Eric came on with a sign saying "Luton for the Cup". Ernie looked at him and said "Luton for the Cup. Couldn't you think of anything funnier than that?" Eric pushed a button and the sign changed to "Brighton for the Cup"

 

[GT49er]

Taylor also brought in Horton and Ward, so not all bad.

Taylor yes, not Clough.

Clough was the beginning of what we are today IMO.

Clough the beginning of where we are today? B****cks! Bamber maybe, but considering where we were in 1997 and 1998 I would put 'the beginning of where we are today' several years after the Bamber era. The best thing Clough ever did for Brighton was joining Leeds.

 

[ewe2]

Surely Clough,(and i agree he did the club no favours ) did raise the profile of our club.Bamber tried and finally failed to achieve the status we enjoy today .IMO we were just never just ordinary little old Brighton,after Clough.

 

[BLOCK F]

Clough was the beginning of what we are today IMO.

I really don't know how to reply to this.
Oh yes,
As has been said, at least Taylor had the good grace to stay behind and use his football knowledge to help the club.

 

[GT49er]

Surely Clough,(and i agree he did the club no favours ) did raise the profile of our club.Bamber tried and finally failed to achieve the status we enjoy today .IMO we were just never just ordinary little old Brighton,after Clough.

No, more a laughing stock. Taylor, Mullery and Bamber (and, to be fair, Barry Lloyd, who got us to a play-off final) delayed the derision for a while. Clough's impact was at best a nine days wonder.

 

[ewe2]

No, more a laughing stock. Taylor, Mullery and Bamber (and, to be fair, Barry Lloyd, who got us to a play-off final) delayed the derision for a while. Clough's impact was at best a nine days wonder.

And there's the beauty of debate and different opinions !

 

[Hiney]

Sadly, Clough will always be remembered for 7 days of humiliation.............

Walton & Hersham ( H )....0-4
Bristol R ( H )....2-8
Tranmere ( A ).....1-4
It still makes me wince now just thinking about it.

11 days