Inflated attendances. This time United.

[Dan Gleeballs]

Manchester United declare attendances far higher than police figures

Interesting article about United's reported attendances compared with the true figure from the police. I know we report ticket sales, as opposed the true attendance at the Albion & I'd rather see the true attendance at all grounds.

How many fans saw the game not how many season ticket holders & day trippers have we got.

 

[gazingdown]

Well, use the FOI and find out.

Let us know what you find out!

 

[Miami Seagull]

Pretty fascinating stuff, I would imagain Arsenal's figures would be much worse.

 

[Dan Gleeballs]

Well, use the FOI and find out.

Let us know what you find out!

Perhaps that should be left in your capable hands

 

[Dan Gleeballs]

Pretty fascinating stuff, I would imagain Arsenal's figures would be much worse.

Exactly. The amount of times they report 60,000 & yet there's numerous seats empty. Clubs should just report the true attendance

 

[beorhthelm]

how are the police counting? i ask because i cant understand the motivation for the clubs to over report. and i dont accept the reason that thousands of people are buying expensive tickets to then not turn up (or sell on). 10000 people every game flush to buy a ticket and not go? doesnt sound right does it.

 

[MattBackHome]

The club say it will be 'confusing' for us fans to see both figures. I know some on NSC would struggle initially, but reckon they're fudging.

 

[portlock seagull]

Manchester United declare attendances far higher than police figures

Interesting article about United's reported attendances compared with the true figure from the police. I know we report ticket sales, as opposed the true attendance at the Albion & I'd rather see the true attendance at all grounds.

How many fans saw the game not how many season ticket holders & day trippers have we got.

I have a ST and have probably only attended 50% games due to non 3pm sat KOs (grrrr). I guess I get counted but the reason I basically have to buy a ST is because without one, in the modern age, I can't sit with friends. In which case I'd probably not go. That's why the club is so anti-standing. Clubs would lose revenue.

 

[saafend_seagull]

how are the police counting? i ask because i cant understand the motivation for the clubs to over report. and i dont accept the reason that thousands of people are buying expensive tickets to then not turn up (or sell on). 10000 people every game flush to buy a ticket and not go? doesnt sound right does it.

Marketing. When doing pitches for sponsors how many would prefer 24k ave compared to 26.5k?

NONE.

 

[Bozza]

how are the police counting? i ask because i cant understand the motivation for the clubs to over report. and i dont accept the reason that thousands of people are buying expensive tickets to then not turn up (or sell on). 10000 people every game flush to buy a ticket and not go? doesnt sound right does it.

The police won't be 'counting' - they'll have access to the official turnstile counts from the clubs for a number of reasons.

Anyone wanting the Albion's real attendances should now just put a FOI request into Susse xpolice.

 

[Garage_Doors]

i dont accept the reason that thousands of people are buying expensive tickets to then not turn up (or sell on). 10000 people every game flush to buy a ticket and not go? doesnt sound right does it.

There are a lot of Man U supporters that don't live in Manchester, ( bet you didn't know that ) so they don't automatically go to every game.
I got a cousin who is a season ticket holder both at the Amex and Liverpool so cant go to both games when playing the same day and know of several people who have duel ST,Brighton/ Fulham Brighton/Reading etc.

Even our own ST holders who travel cant make all game for various reason, in fact there was a thread on here yesterday saying due to work commitments he has only been able to get to a few matches and even my dad has two seats but to my knowledge only ever used one this year.
Also you have family's that will have 3,4 or 5 together but rarely they will all go at the same time.
This is why you will never get a completely full stadium.

 

[Garage_Doors]

Anyone wanting the Albion's real attendances should now just put a FOI request into Susse xpolice.

Kingscole will be wetting himself right now.

 

[Superphil]

There must e a good enough reason so many top flight football clubs in Europe to do it. BVB publish average attendance pretty much on the button of their capacity (80,500), likewise Bayern (60,000) Schalke (61,000). BHA have sort of explained the reason, its not a good enough reason IMO, but it's a reason, and it's consistent throughout the EPL and Championship, some of L1 & L2, as well as most leagues accross Europe.

 

[gazingdown]

Perhaps that should be left in your capable hands

Errrr, I'm not the one starting a thread asking the question though!

If I deperately wanted to know, I would do so. It's only £10 to start a FOI.

 

[Knotty]

Well, use the FOI and find out.

Let us know what you find out!

Is anyone really so interested that they'd bother with a FOI request? It won't make the slightest difference to my Albion-supporting experience what the figures are.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

As part of the transport management arrangements, the Albion not only measure the actual numbers going through the turnstiles, they measure the times at which these movements occur. If anyone does make a FoI request, it might be worth wording it along the lines of:- for each match played at the Amex, how many spectators passed through the stadium turnstiles in each of the five minute intervals between two hours before kick-off and half-time?

 

[Dan Gleeballs]

Errrr, I'm not the one starting a thread asking the question though!

If I deperately wanted to know, I would do so. It's only £10 to start a FOI.

I started the thread because I found the article interesting & I'd sooner clubs reported the true attendance. It's ok fella I don't need a full investigation in to the matter. Hope this is ok with you

 

[Gangsta]

Didn't I read somewhere that ALL premiership clubs under that leagues rules have to report attendances as per tickets/STs sold, again for marketing purposes. This does make good financial sense. Funny how things change, in the good old days clubs would underreport to not pay tax on what were mainly cash sales, now marketing revenue is so important the opposite is true.

 

[mattpenfold]

There is no cost for making an FOI request normally, although the law allows for the refusal of a request if it would cost the public body to much to process. In such cases they can suggest the person making the request make a contribution to the cost. The £10 quoted above is for data protection act requests, which is different legislation.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

There is no cost for making an FOI request normally, although the law allows for the refusal of a request if it would cost the public body to much to process. In such cases they can suggest the person making the request make a contribution to the cost. The £10 quoted above is for data protection act requests, which is different legislation.

There's always the possibility that a public body might turn down the request for information on the grounds that the information relates to the business affairs of a private organisation and it is commercially sensitive.

Just because Sussex Police are provided with information doesn't mean it isn't confidential.