Pogue Mahone
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- Apr 30, 2011
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Scotland is part of the UK, if they really want independence, let us all vote.
We are part of the EU (for now). Should all the other member states have had a vote on Brexit?
Scotland is part of the UK, if they really want independence, let us all vote.
The EU is not and has never been a country. The UK is.We are part of the EU (for now). Should all the other member states have had a vote on Brexit?
The UK is an independent country and can choose to have a vote as and when it likes, with whatever rules it chooses. Scotland isn't, and can't. The Scots need the UK's permission to have a referendum.We are part of the EU (for now). Should all the other member states have had a vote on Brexit?
This is at the very least highly debatable. Scotland are currently in the EU as part of the UK; if they become independent of the UK then it could easily be argued that they don't have to leave. The Spanish won't like it but they are not the only member of the EU.
We are part of the EU (for now). Should all the other member states have had a vote on Brexit?
during the last indy referendum, several leading figures in EU outright said they'd have to leave and apply to join as any other country, should they vote to leave the UK. there was no ambiguity, maybes or conditions, there is simply no recognised path to "inherit" EU membership, along with a number opposed to any fast track process if there were a will to create one. the Spanish could simply veto their membership, it requires unanimous agreement.
There's no argument economically for the Scots to vote leave
I can't find a reference to it now but I read that part of Spain's opposition was the SNPs assertion that they would be able to remain in the EU on the same terms as the UK enjoys (which is a better deal than new joiners get). The Spanish (and probably others') position was that Scotland could apply to join but the membership would cost the same, per-capita, as other new joiners.
The UK is an independent country and can choose to have a vote as and when it likes, with whatever rules it chooses. Scotland isn't, and can't. The Scots need the UK's permission to have a referendum.
How about the best of both worlds.Scotland could stay in the EU and have all our whiners,we will leave and have all the decent people!
And you wonder what the Northern Ireland Assembly might do now they have a non-Unionist majority in their Chamber.
How about the best of both worlds.Scotland could stay in the EU and have all our whiners,we will leave and have all the decent people!
I still don't get how votes of monumental and irreversible constitutional change are decided by a 50/50 vote. For example, 52-48 is not 'the will of the people'- it is a reflection of a division of views.
The same result could occur in Scotland. This means that the fabric and make up or our society's affiliation and identity is being torn up beyond previous recognition against the will of almost half the population.
For such monumental change a two to one majority should be sort. If everything was played out on a simple majority the world would be in utter turmoil on a weekly basis.
Next up Northern Ireland to leave the UK.
And you wonder what the Northern Ireland Assembly might do now they have a non-Unionist majority in their Chamber.
Actually, it is in a democracy.I still don't get how votes of monumental and irreversible constitutional change are decided by a 50/50 vote. For example, 52-48 is not 'the will of the people'