Indonesia to go ahead with execution of 6 "convicted " drug smugglers within 24 hrs.

[Finchley Seagull]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/death-row-inmate-freed-after-4155896 ..... luckily for him he wasn't executed but he did the time but DIDN'T do the crime. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who have been executed who were innocent but I guess because it isn't you, you don't give a toss.

That's what I don't get about people who support the death penalty. There are so many examples of people who were wrongly executed and others, since the death penalty has been abolished, who would have been before. How can anyone support a law that wrongly kills people? If one person out of 1,000 executed is innocent (and the figures are far more than that) surely that makes it wrong.

I also don't understand the logic of it is wrong to kill people (or deal drugs which end up killing people) and to prove that we're going to kill you.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

but we can't let everybody off just in case they're innocent,jails would be empty

some people are actually nasty and deserve being locked up

Are you serious? You don't understand the difference between being locked up and being executed. We're not talking about giving long prison terms (which is the right thing). We're talking about state supported murder (which is morally wrong).

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Are you serious? You don't understand the difference between being locked up and being executed. We're not talking about giving long prison terms (which is the right thing) and state supported murder (which is morally wrong).

morally wrong?

so is drug smuggling in my book

 

[Westdene Seagull]

but we can't let everybody off just in case they're innocent,jails would be empty

some people are actually nasty and deserve being locked up

Indeed .... but not murdered.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

morally wrong?

so is drug smuggling in my book

Answer the question. Are you saying that you're happy to execute innocent people as others are guilty?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Answer the question. Are you saying that you're happy to execute innocent people as others are guilty?

who's innocent?

 

[StonehamPark]

I assume you're all fine with Saudi Arabia executing a man for renouncing his Muslim faith? Or how about the blogger sentenced to 1,000 lashes, 10 years in prison and had to pay $250,000 for criticizing clerics on the internet?

Are you serious?

 

[Hampster Gull]

If that's their law then respect it. If people choose to ignore it and take that risk then so be it

This, at least for this offence

 

[Westdene Seagull]

who's innocent?

The bloke in the link I posted who was on death row. If he'd been executed they couldn't have released him when new DNA evidence techniques came along.

And in our very own good old UK - this man - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wrongly-hanged-hanratty-is-found-innocent-1285402.html

 

[Shatner's Bassoon]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that these guys didn't make a pretty dumb decision (although in the case of some of them, no doubt poverty was a driving factor). However just warning someone of the consequences of an action doesn't make you immune to criticism if those consequences are unnecessarily harsh.

That may be true, but saying 'if you can't do the time, don't do the crime' does make me sound like a hard man.

 

[The Camel]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/death-row-inmate-freed-after-4155896 ..... luckily for him he wasn't executed but he did the time but DIDN'T do the crime. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who have been executed who were innocent but I guess because it isn't you, you don't give a toss.

DNA evidence has been around for over a decade.

How come it has taken this long to clear these guys?

 

[Finchley Seagull]

who's innocent?

A lot of people who are executed, in case you hadn't noticed. For the record, one of the men executed today was mentally ill. Are you okay with that? Another was executed under the wrong name as the Indonesian authorities wouldn't accept that he entered the country with a false passport.

The two Australians admitted their guilt after they were found guilty and said that they regretted their stupid actions. They have done a lot to encourage fellow inmates to come off drugs (and helped to teach many inmates in their previous prison). They've done far more to try to discourage drugs than Widodo's government can dream of doing yet they are murdered by the state to put people off drugs. Does that not seem a little odd to you?

 

[Shatner's Bassoon]

Not sure why people are now arguing that the method of execution is brutal. Its been accepted in Utah.

If it's good enough for the state of Utah, that ends all discussion.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

The bloke in the link I posted who was on death row. If he'd been executed they couldn't have released him when new DNA evidence techniques came along.

And in our very own good old UK - this man - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wrongly-hanged-hanratty-is-found-innocent-1285402.html

of course no one who's innocent should ever get executed,nothing is really fail safe

but what I will say is,plenty of parents have watched their children being hooked on drugs by suppliers and some haven't made it

drug deallers, suppliers are scum of the earth and I wouldn't shed one tear if they end up getting hung

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Are you serious?

Why would you think he's not serious? Under Saudi law, what he mentioned is the law. Surely anyone who's saying that crap about "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" should agree with those actions from Saudi Arabia. He's just following your logic.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

of course no one who's innocent should ever get executed,nothing is really fail safe

but what I will say is,plenty of parents have watched their children being hooked on drugs by suppliers and some haven't made it

drug deallers, suppliers are scum of the earth and I wouldn't shed one tear if they end up getting hung

So your theory is that just as long as the bad people die then it doesn't matter if the odd innocent person dies as well ? You wouldn't be American by any chance would you ?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

So your theory is that just as long as the bad people die then it doesn't matter if the odd innocent person dies as well ? You wouldn't be American by any chance would you ?

read the top line of the post you just quoted

 

[Westdene Seagull]

read the top line of the post you just quoted

I did and the two parts of it contradict each other.

So, you support the death penalty yet admit it's impossible to prevent innocent people being executed ? So basically your willing to take that risk ?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

I did and the two parts of it contradict each other.

So, you support the death penalty yet admit it's impossible to prevent innocent people being executed ? So basically your willing to take that risk ?

but where do you stop with your theory,let all rapists go,just in case the DNA has a 0.0001 per cent chance of being wrong?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

but where do you stop with your theory,let all rapists go,just in case the DNA has a 0.0001 per cent chance of being wrong?

Where do you stop with your theory? Many things are addictive, many things kill people. Do you execute drinks company bosses? Drugs are just one of many.