im shocked...two autistic people I know are UKIP members

[1066gull]

I really don't understand it? These are the people who will abandon disabled people to save money to bail out privatised firms.

Oh and one of these people even gets disability benefits. UKIP and the Tories do not help people who are disabled! They will call them any name under the sun albeit it lazy, workshy scrounger to try and justify their rhetoric.

It breaks my heart to see so many believe the propaganda lies the media spouts out. TRUMP and Farage who are sexists and racists = people call them populist and controversial.

Corbyn? Nah he is "Hard Left". Jesus politics makes me angry in 2016.

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[Buzzer]

Jesus politics makes me angry in 2016.

The Pharisees weren't very happy with him either around 30 A.D.

 

[1066gull]

The Pharisees weren't very happy with him either around 30 A.D.

Really? Did they say anything about 2017?

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[alfredmizen]

The Pharisees weren't very happy with him either around 30 A.D.

 

[Paul Reids Sock]

Maybe they don't see themselves as Autistic people but people that happen to have autism?

People are all different (I'm not) and therefore will have different views on policies and favourite parties.

Also - the majority of the press coverage of Farage negative to portray him as a sexist, racist buffoon - unless you have met him and discussed his views haven't you just believed the media?

 

[Grombleton]

The Pharisees weren't very happy with him either around 30 A.D.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It breaks my heart to see so many believe the propaganda lies the media spouts out. TRUMP and Farage who are sexists and racists = people call them populist and controversial.

It breaks your heart that the vast majority of the media spewed out anti-Trump rhetoric which using your own words were lies?

You've got to be left-wing with that kind of dopey logic.

Lemme guess, you're probably also shocked there are Black Republicans in America...

 

[1066gull]

Maybe they don't see themselves as Autistic people but people that happen to have autism?

It's the same thing. Please tell me how I'm wrong?

Also Farage is a vile man. If he ever was in power all he would do his privatise the NHS and fleece this countries resources for his mates in high places.

 

[1066gull]

It breaks your heart that the vast majority of the media spewed out anti-Trump rhetoric which using your own words were lies?

You've got to be left-wing with that kind of dopey logic.

Lemme guess, you're probably also shocked there are Black Republicans in America...

Trump didn't win, Clinton lost.

Oh and I wanted Clinton to win, but she wasn't my preferred choice. 6 million less voters than 2012 shows how terrible the choice was.

I have no doubt that Bernie would have beaten Trump. But I am upset at the people who abandoned Clinton, they let us down.

 

[Scotty Mac]

And this is why the left and Corbyn are currently so unelectable it is a joke.

No reason to try and understand why these people have different views to what they expect them to have. No attempt to win them around orunderstand their concerns.

Just utter disbelief that somebody could think anything different to what they think

 

[fruitnveg]

I really don't understand it? -snip-

And therein lies your problem.

 

[wellquickwoody]

It's the same thing. Please tell me how I'm wrong?

Also Farage is a vile man. If he ever was in power all he would do his privatise the NHS and fleece this countries resources for his mates in high places.

Jeremy Corbyn, hardly sexy is he? As for John McDonell, he is Scotch for heavens sake! Labour would do so much better with that lovely young Gloria del Piero at the helm etc etc.....

Sorry, just thought I would see what politics would be like if it really were as simple as you make out. Far more pleasing in my view.

 

[1066gull]

And this is why the left and Corbyn are currently so unelectable it is a joke.

No reason to try and understand why these people have different views to what they expect them to have. No attempt to win them around orunderstand their concerns.

Just utter disbelief that somebody could think anything different to what they think

I'm telling you?

Under Tories/UKIP

The NHS will be sold and everyone will have to have health insurance
Train companies will be ever more expensive, unreliable and dangerous.
More people will be unable to buy a home, rents will get more expensive
Homelessness will keep on rising as people who rely on benefits can't afford a place to live
People in work will feel their incomes squeezed further because of the increases in the cost of living

(and it is the immigrants who come here that will get the blame for all of this)

Why can't we have:

A publicly funded NHS
Build enough homes for everyone (including council homes)
A publicly run rail network that is run by all the people who work for it, not just the top


If you build a a council home for every homeless and disabled person, you wouldn't even need to raise benefits. People will then create work opportunities by building new schools, shops, roads in these new communities. That creates more tax revenue for the treasury. You can't pay they Debt down when you cutback, you have to invest.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Trump didn't win, Clinton lost.

Oh and I wanted Clinton to win, but she wasn't my preferred choice. 6 million less voters than 2012 shows how terrible the choice was.

I have no doubt that Bernie would have beaten Trump. But I am upset at the people who abandoned Clinton, they let us down.

They didn't let anyone down, They exercised their right to not vote.

It's the Liberal left who let you down by being such obnoxious weird as **** cry babies that no regular person would even want to be associated with that group of people and their views. Hilary chose to be those peoples flag bearer and that's a part of the reason why she lost.

 

[1066gull]

They didn't let anyone down, They exercised their right to not vote.

It's the Liberal left who let you down by being such obnoxious weird as **** cry babies that no regular person would even want to be associated with that group of people and their views. Hilary chose to be those peoples flag bearer and that's a part of the reason why she lost.

I'm no liberal. I recognise people want change from neoliberalism and if they don't let the left organise and propose our policies, they will vote for the other alternative.

Socialists sat at the back for 35 years letting Thatcher and Blair do their job. People want change. If the liberal centre can't accept that and let us get on with the job of proposing fair policies for all, people will vote for another alternative. And albeit a terrifying alternative, but it is at least an alternative they want from neoliberalism.

 

[1066gull]

Jeremy Corbyn, hardly sexy is he? As for John McDonell, he is Scotch for heavens sake! Labour would do so much better with that lovely young Gloria del Piero at the helm etc etc.....

Sorry, just thought I would see what politics would be like if it really were as simple as you make out. Far more pleasing in my view.

No thank you. Don't let Labour pander to the morally bankrupt centre. Look how that is going in Scotland?

 

[Scotty Mac]

I'm telling you?

Under Tories/UKIP

The NHS will be sold and everyone will have to have health insurance
Train companies will be ever more expensive, unreliable and dangerous.
More people will be unable to buy a home, rents will get more expensive
Homelessness will keep on rising as people who rely on benefits can't afford a place to live
People in work will feel their incomes squeezed further because of the increases in the cost of living

(and it is the immigrants who come here that will get the blame for all of this)

Why can't we have:

A publicly funded NHS
Build enough homes for everyone (including council homes)
A publicly run rail network that is run by all the people who work for it, not just the top


If you build a a council home for every homeless and disabled person, you wouldn't even need to raise benefits. People will then create work opportunities by building new schools, shops, roads in these new communities. That creates more tax revenue for the treasury. You can't pay they Debt down when you cutback, you have to invest.

I'm not sure what point you are making?

You say you can't believe two autistic people are members of UKIP. That's because you've made no effort to understand why - just assumed because they have a disability, they should support a left wing party.

And that is exactly the sort of attitude bordering arrogance that turns people away from agreeing with your views. That and that they are ****ing ridiculous, obviously

 

[beorhthelm]

If you build a a council home for every homeless and disabled person, you wouldn't even need to raise benefits. People will then create work opportunities by building new schools, shops, roads in these new communities. That creates more tax revenue for the treasury. You can't pay they Debt down when you cutback, you have to invest.

see you've been to the same economics class as McDonnell. magic money tree is out, spending on public sector as "an investment" is in. trouble is, you cant extract more in tax from money the public sector than you put in.

 

[1066gull]

Why? Do you want a privatised NHS? That will just push up the price of healthcare. Just look at the statistics of train fares rising since British Rail was privatised. Pharmaceuticals will jack up the prices of drugs because they know health insurers will pay the price. Insurers than pass the cost back on to us. The NHS when it is properly funded is a lot more cost effective for all of us as they always get the cost of the treatment at the best price. Pharmaceuticals want privatisation.

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[1066gull]

see you've been to the same economics class as McDonnell. magic money tree is out, spending on public sector as "an investment" is in. trouble is, you cant extract more in tax from money the public sector than you put in.

In all of the years in office, Labour have had more years of budget surplus and paid of the debt quicker than the Conservatives. It is statically a fact Labour is better at managing the economy than the Conservatives.