[Albion] I’m now pro VAR - disgraceful officiating

[Berty23]

Ask a PSG fan if they're in favour of VAR, after what happened to them in the dying seconds of that United game. You can still get royally screwed by a duff VAR call on a marginal decision.

It'll get some stuff right, but not everything, because it'll still always boil down to human interpretation. Sometimes you'll fall on the wrong side of it, sometimes on the right. Isn't that what we always had before VAR anyway ?

What you gain in the chance to get more correct decisions, you pay for with sometimes multiple delays with the ref standing around with his finger in his ear, and the crowd not always knowing whats being reviewed or why. VAR reviews on goals particularly suck, as all the celebrations go on hold until the ref eventually points to the centre-circle.

It'll change the game massively, but not all of it in a good way.

Worth noting it was not a duff call and was correct as per uefa’s briefing to the teams about how VAR would be and should be used. It is not uefa’s fault that the British pundits like Rio Ferdinand don’t understand the rules.

 

[Easy 10]

Worth noting it was not a duff call and was correct as per uefa’s briefing to the teams about how VAR would be and should be used. It is not uefa’s fault that the British pundits like Rio Ferdinand don’t understand the rules.

It was a marginal interpretation of handball. The referee's initial call was perfectly sound in awarding a corner - you will never persuade me that it was a "clear and obvious error" not to award a penalty for that incident. Players cannot make their arms disappear. He was jumping, his back was turned, his arm was not outstretched. Nobody would have batted an eyelid if the original decision had stood.

Those type of calls are NOT what VAR are supposed to get involved with. But it did, and as a direct result, the wrong team went through.

 

[Berty23]

It was a marginal interpretation of handball. The referee's initial call was perfectly sound in awarding a corner - you will never persuade me that it was a "clear and obvious error" not to award a penalty for that incident. Players cannot make their arms disappear. He was jumping, his back was turned, his arm was not outstretched. Nobody would have batted an eyelid if the original decision had stood.

Those type of calls are NOT what VAR are supposed to get involved with. But it did, and as a direct result, the wrong team went through.

Not what VAR was supposed to get involved with but it has evolved. UEFA made this clear. Players need to learn to jump with their arms down. Removing subjectivity can only be a good thing. Otherwise where does it stop? The simple defence is “that is how I jump” - football can learn so much from hockey. The self pass at free kicks should come in and also tough s**t if it hits hand (as it is with foot in hockey).

Cricket used to pretend it was just for shocking decisions but evolved to have it as part of the game. Getting the right call has improved the game no end.

 

[Easy 10]

Not what VAR was supposed to get involved with but it has evolved. UEFA made this clear. Players need to learn to jump with their arms down. Removing subjectivity can only be a good thing. Otherwise where does it stop? The simple defence is “that is how I jump” - football can learn so much from hockey. The self pass at free kicks should come in and also tough s**t if it hits hand (as it is with foot in hockey).

Cricket used to pretend it was just for shocking decisions but evolved to have it as part of the game. Getting the right call has improved the game no end.

I'm sorry, but you cannot expect footballers to jump like Michael Flatley, thats ridiculous. As long as they're not doing star jumps, or spreading their arms like the Angel of the North, then you have to look at each instance and make a call on its own merits. A referee has to be CERTAIN in order to award a penalty.

 

[GT49er]

The way VAR is SUPPOSED to work, is that the on-field ref makes all his decisions and calls as he normally would, and only gets alerted by the VAR if he has made a clear and obvious error. He cannot refer to VAR if he's unsure on a call, or wants assistance, he just refs the game as he normally would. So on that basis, I think the theory is sound.

Where its currently falling down is that VAR is getting involved in marginal calls. Hackett is right, the fact that the red at Wolves was downgraded to a yellow by the VAR was a total nonsense. The ref had made a sound call with that decision, it wasn't a clear and obvious error, so VAR should not have even got involved.

If indeed that is the official way VAR is SUPPOSED to work, that is good news. Obviously somebody needs to tell the referees (and the VAR) the facts of life, because it clearly hasn't sunk in!
More and more I think it is vital to drum it into players that it is not a source of appeals for them - hence the idea of compulsory yellows for even making that TV screen gesture.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

There is no such thing as marginal offside. It’s either onside or offside with no subjectivity - same as ball over the line or not.

This is the problem. The original offside law was created to stop goal hanging, this has evolved into the convoluted modern variant of the law.

We are now in a situation where we are continually debating if the tiniest slither of an attacking player's toe is offside which is not in keeping with the spirit of the original law, which again was only created to stop goal hanging.

If we are going to use Video Assistant Referees, then we as fans lose the immediacy of knowing we can go bananas and celebrate a goal, whilst it is being checked.

Whilst someone somewhere goes through the irritatingly pointless microscopic examination of a monitor, overlaying player positions with pinstripe lines of latitudes, We are left in limbo, waiting to find out if the goalscorer was a couple of centimeters offside. A distance so small it ultimately gives no advantage anyway.



What I would suggest is they forget using the thin pinstripe and instead use a line the width of a football to judge if a player is offside, and change the law to read:

any part of the head, body or feet is more than an entire balls width to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent



The VAR could then quickly use a line the width of the ball. We could move away from the ridiculous situation of ruling out good goals because a strikers knee was ahead of the last defender. It would also speed up the process of checking off sides which would stem the sanitation of the modern game that confirmation delays bring.

 

[Berty23]

I'm sorry, but you cannot expect footballers to jump like Michael Flatley, thats ridiculous. As long as they're not doing star jumps, or spreading their arms like the Angel of the North, then you have to look at each instance and make a call on its own merits. A referee has to be CERTAIN in order to award a penalty.

What is spreading like angel of the north and what isn’t? Subjectivity makes it hard. Whenever Bruno closes down and someone is shoo g he puts his arms behind his back. Others will do this to. High jumpers jump with their hands thrown up in front of them and footballers can learn to do this too. It is not hard to change a technique. Comparing to cricket again....players used to pad away spin all day, now they have to use their bat. The game has changed for the better.

 

[GT49er]

There is no such thing as marginal offside. It’s either onside or offside with no subjectivity - same as ball over the line or not.

That is the problem with the off-side rule - they keep tinkering, but still haven't got it right. It should be off-side if it clearly and obviously off-side; if it is marginal, then the attacker should be given the benefit of the doubt. Basically, yes there is such a thing as a marginal off-side, even if the lovers of technology would wish it not so. So yes, there is a degree of judgement in how marginal an off-side shout is - just as there is in whether a foul is a foul, or worthy of a yellow or red card. And that is how it should be - it is a game, not a precise electronically ruled sterility like formula 1 these days..

 

[Brian Munich]

That is the problem with the off-side rule - they keep tinkering, but still haven't got it right. It should be off-side if it clearly and obviously off-side; if it is marginal, then the attacker should be given the benefit of the doubt. Basically, yes there is such a thing as a marginal off-side, even if the lovers of technology would wish it not so. So yes, there is a degree of judgement in how marginal an off-side shout is - just as there is in whether a foul is a foul, or worthy of a yellow or red card. And that is how it should be - it is a game, not a precise electronically ruled sterility like formula 1 these days..

Take a day off from being a dick.

 

[Easy 10]

Take a day off from being a dick.

You're the only one on here being a dick. Everyone else seems to be debating it alright.

 

[Geestar]

You're the only one on here being a dick. Everyone else seems to be debating it alright.

But it's not a game, it's a business

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[GT49er]

Take a day off from being a dick.

This is a sensible, football related debate, where people are intelligently discussing different views and opinions. So what the f*** are you doing here?

You're the only one on here being a dick. Everyone else seems to be debating it alright.

Cheers, Easy!

 

[Wardy's twin]

VAR is not going to make every decision right , it is still open to interpretation by humans who will get things wrong but a) the amount of wrong decisions should shrink dramatically b) it should stop some of these refs thinking they are gods because they are now under closer scrutiny. Bring it on but please ensure there is a time limit to the decision making..

 

[Machiavelli]

We’d have won that in 90 with VAR. Poorest officials this season by a marathon


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