If your child is fat then simple: you are a bad parent!

[Guinness Boy]

funny, because that's exactly the point i was highlighting, only noting the source of their mountains of food were not the main problem, as part of the discussion. clearly you have some personal grudge.

Not it wasn't. You said

"there's some emphasis made on the location and implied quality of the food, but the bottom line is the quantity. its always the quantity. need to stop fussing too much over whats in the food and focus on not eating too much."

 

[5ways]

But my point is, so what.


Just as I wouldnt wish to intrude in your family history, personal choices or lifestyle, where would you like this intrusion to start or end, just weight, why not smoking, drinking, sexual preferences, driving habits or exercise regime ??

I never said I wanted intrusion, but there is a responsibility to project the vulnerable. What defines being at risk, from any of those factors, is a scientific, social, and political question, so I won't hazard an answer!

 

[beorhthelm]

Not it wasn't. You said

"there's some emphasis made on the location and implied quality of the food, but the bottom line is the quantity. its always the quantity. need to stop fussing too much over whats in the food and focus on not eating too much."

yes, and if you had read that without a dollop of subjective ire, you might have seen it agreed with your comments (about the quantity), and the part about "stop fussing too much" is qualified, not a statement that we should ignore the source. i'd say we agree to disagree on this knowingly pedantic point, but i'm not sure you would.

 

[BigGully]

I never said I wanted intrusion, but there is a responsibility to project the vulnerable. What defines being at risk, from any of those factors, is a scientific, social, and political question, so I won't hazard an answer!

Protect the vulnerable !!

If I was vulnerable I would so much want to be left alone right now.

I know the points being made and of course you need offer education to everybody, we all but a few know precisely why we put on weight and what would be a positive health change in all of our lives and if there can be some level of resource to quietly encourage healthy options all well and good.

But I am suspicious that it is an insidious move towards intervention in every facet of our personal choices, it wouldnt be logical to target fatties and not others of us that choose risky hobbies or flawed habits.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Protect the vulnerable !!

If I was vulnerable I would so much want to be left alone right now.

I know the points being made and of course you need offer education to everybody, we all but a few know precisely why we put on weight and what would be a positive health change in all of our lives and if there can be some level of resource to quietly encourage healthy options all well and good.

But I am suspicious that it is an insidious move towards intervention in every facet of our personal choices, it wouldnt be logical to target fatties and not others of us that choose risky hobbies or flawed habits.

I don't know, are we really faced with real personal choice when supermarkets and major food brands can spend so much on marketing and having influence such as Coke and McDonalds sponsoring worldwide sporting events, and supermarkets being able to price target high volume items with longer shelf lives than fresh foods? I actually think that the big supermarket control over our farmers, what is produced, what is pushed on their shelves is actually what is insidious - not the state showing concern and seeking ways to help a deepening situation.

I don't think 'the fatties' have made a personal choice in most cases. I think financial pressure, in some cases both parents working, means the supermarkets shove a solution in front of them with pizza's and quick meals ridiculously cheap. Supermarkets through loyalty cards and other means monitor, target and shape our buying habits. Something definitely needs to be done. You call it intervention on personal choice, whether it is taxation of sugars or fats, I would call it addressing something that has been created through market forces and is dangerous thing to leave unchecked. Recent McDonalds advertising would make you think it was actually a healthy choice to eat in there!!

 

[BigGully]

I don't know, are we really faced with real personal choice when supermarkets and major food brands can spend so much on marketing and having influence such as Coke and McDonalds sponsoring worldwide sporting events, and supermarkets being able to price target high volume items with longer shelf lives than fresh foods? I actually think that the big supermarket control over our farmers, what is produced, what is pushed on their shelves is actually what is insidious - not the state showing concern and seeking ways to help a deepening situation.

I don't think 'the fatties' have made a personal choice in most cases. I think financial pressure, in some cases both parents working, means the supermarkets shove a solution in front of them with pizza's and quick meals ridiculously cheap. Supermarkets through loyalty cards and other means monitor, target and shape our buying habits. Something definitely needs to be done. You call it intervention on personal choice, whether it is taxation of sugars or fats, I would call it addressing something that has been created through market forces and is dangerous thing to leave unchecked. Recent McDonalds advertising would make you think it was actually a healthy choice to eat in there!!

No your missing my main point, I dont care if someone is chubby, fat or obese, nor should you.

If they seek help or have current associated health issues then of course they should access the appropriate help, not all fat people are vulnerable or uneducated.

Why are you so eager to demonise one set of people because of their weight, most dont need your help and dont want it, leave them alone its not our place to impose are own prejudices on others.

 

[Bold Seagull]

No your missing my main point, I dont care if someone is chubby, fat or obese, nor should you.

If they seek help or have current associated health issues then of course they should access the appropriate help, not all fat people are vulnerable or uneducated.

Why are you so eager to demonise one set of people because of their weight, most dont need your help and dont want it, leave them alone its not our place to impose are own prejudices on others.

Well, if we're talking about missing points, then you've missed mine by 2 football pitch lengths, then maybe a couple of coach lengths after that...

 

[Cian]

Personal legal preferences are impacted by the state however you look at it. Alcohol and tobacco are taxed separately. Why not the foods that are causing as many if not more health risks?

The original intent of VAT on food was to tax unhealthy foods and not healthy ones. However, that's not turned out to quite be the case. Some utter junk is zero rated for eat out in still, for instance.

 

[BigGully]

For clarity, I have convened a meeting with the other half and her four year group of children at her school ( 120 approx Year 1 & 2's) she can only think of 2 that might be classed as obese, one girl and one boy, I can move on to the years 3 up to years 6 but as I am already actively involved there I can confirm that I cannot recall anyone that would be classed as obese, but I will discreetly have a further look and report back.

This epidemic isnt happening at her quite unexceptional (not withstanding the pupils and teachers of course) school, feel free to offer you own schools profile (not named), it aint happening.

 

[Gilliver's Travels]

In a typical 1960s secondary school class of 30 or so pupils, the number overweight was, typically...one. And that poor unfortunate would be mercilessly bullied forever as the official class fatty.

Why should this be? Back then, most cooking was pretty basic; school meals were appalling, with home cooking often not much better. As others have said, playing outside and physical sports were the norm (long before school playing fields were bring sold off by desperate councils)

How unlike today, where we are totally bombarded as never before by science-based dietary advice, along with dire warnings of the dangers of unhealthy eating. In such circumstances, it is inexplicable that so many people can be overweight or, worse, morbidly obese.

For proof, look no further than the average football crowd. You'll be hard put to find many individuals who don't sport a bloated beer gut, or worse.

That hideous truism,"No fat people in Belsen" is a shocking expression of physiological reality: that if people eat less they will always lose weight. With very few medical exceptions, the reasons for Britain's obesity epidemic must be down to some combination of ignorance, laziness, or lack of self control. How can it be that so many of us have got ourselves into such a state?

 

[dazzer6666]

In a typical 1960s secondary school class of 30 or so pupils, the number overweight was, typically...one. And that poor unfortunate would be mercilessly bullied forever as the official class fatty.

Why should this be? Back then, most cooking was pretty basic; school meals were appalling, with home cooking often not much better. As others have said, playing outside and physical sports were the norm (long before school playing fields were bring sold off by desperate councils)

How unlike today, where we are totally bombarded as never before by science-based dietary advice, along with dire warnings of the dangers of unhealthy eating. In such circumstances, it is inexplicable that so many people can be overweight or, worse, morbidly obese.

For proof, look no further than the average football crowd. You'll be hard put to find many individuals who don't sport a bloated beer gut, or worse.

That hideous truism,"No fat people in Belsen" is a shocking expression of physiological reality: that if people eat less they will always lose weight. With very few medical exceptions, the reasons for Britain's obesity epidemic must be down to some combination of ignorance, laziness, or lack of self control. How can it be that so many of us have got ourselves into such a state?

Oversupply of very cheap (bad) food and drink, largely refined carbohydrates. Larger portions (super-size for 30p Sir ? Bargain, why not !), far more sedentary jobs and lifestyles, energy saving devices, drive everywhere etc etc p. We tend (and can) eat what we want now as food is in relative terms much cheaper than it was, rather than when we are hungry....one walk around the floor in my office is all you need. The boxes of donuts, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc there on a daily basis is staggering.

Not sure it's ignorance, most people who are fat know why (I did when I was), but for me it was laziness and lack of self-control.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Actually I do have Level 1&2 and I have managed 5 footy teams and your next ridiculous question is ?

Im also a qualified Nurse and worked in Paeditric and Paediatric A&E so i know a fair bit about juvenile and child obesity almost certainly a lot more than you do.
Unless your a Paediatric Consultant which i doubt very much

 

[Justice]

I suspect in the majority of cases the parents are uneducated and not typically a bad parent. Lack of exercise is a major problem for kids of today not so much what they eat.

 

[Notters]

For clarity, I have convened a meeting with the other half and her four year group of children at her school ( 120 approx Year 1 & 2's) she can only think of 2 that might be classed as obese, one girl and one boy, I can move on to the years 3 up to years 6 but as I am already actively involved there I can confirm that I cannot recall anyone that would be classed as obese, but I will discreetly have a further look and report back.

This epidemic isnt happening at her quite unexceptional (not withstanding the pupils and teachers of course) school, feel free to offer you own schools profile (not named), it aint happening.

I could be wrong but aren't things FAR worse in the north and in Scotland than they are down here?

 

[Justice]

I could be wrong but aren't things FAR worse in the north and in Scotland than they are down here?

Your not wrong Steve Evans is their role model.

 

[BigGully]

I could be wrong but aren't things FAR worse in the north and in Scotland than they are down here?

Perhaps, but my wifes school isnt in a leafy prosperous suburb, its deemed deprived, which is absolute rubbish by the way, but someone somewhere formulated a set of measures and that was the outcome, but you know what I mean

 

[Billy the Fish]

Sorry, I'm talking about portion size. OBVIOUSLY 1500 calories of crap and 1500 calories of organic vegetable and lightly grilled home reared chicken put exactly the same on you and need burning off. You need a massively bigger plate to accommodate the latter though

Slightly OT but having recently done a bit of research on this subject it seems that the generally accepted theory of "a calorie is a calorie" is actually a bit of a myth. A calorie is just a measurement of how much energy is in the food, but it doesn't take into account how it gets processed once it enters the body or the metabolic pathway the body uses to turn each macronutrient into energy. You also need to take into account hormonal responses that are triggered, particularly by protien.

A high protien low/carb diet will keep weight off more effectively than a high carb diet even if the calorie content is identical. Google "thermic effect of food" and "metabolic pathways of macronutrients"

 

[Guinness Boy]

Oversupply of very cheap (bad) food and drink, largely refined carbohydrates. Larger portions (super-size for 30p Sir ? Bargain, why not !), far more sedentary jobs and lifestyles, energy saving devices, drive everywhere etc etc p. We tend (and can) eat what we want now as food is in relative terms much cheaper than it was, rather than when we are hungry....one walk around the floor in my office is all you need. The boxes of donuts, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc there on a daily basis is staggering.

Not sure it's ignorance, most people who are fat know why (I did when I was), but for me it was laziness and lack of self-control.

This is bang on. When I worked regularly in London I would walk ten minutes to and from the station and that would be my only exercise. I would then sit on a train looking at my ipad or a book, sit at my desk drinking coffee and being fed an almost daily supply of donuts before having a huge lunch, sitting down again and getting the train home. Once home I'd have a big meal or, if working late, a takeaway at the station and reward myself with a bottle of wine on most nights too. Guess what? I ended up fat.

I've lost two and a half stone. While I have worked from home more I still travel to meetings in London every now and again and to see clients. The weight loss has come because I put exercise in to my day (running or stretching / cross training) but also because I cut down my food intake and said no to the wine and donuts more often than I said yes. All self control and lifestyle change.

 

[BigGully]

Slightly OT but having recently done a bit of research on this subject it seems that the generally accepted theory of "a calorie is a calorie" is actually a bit of a myth. A calorie is just a measurement of how much energy is in the food, but it doesn't take into account how it gets processed once it enters the body or the metabolic pathway the body uses to turn each macronutrient into energy. You also need to take into account hormonal responses that are triggered, particularly by protien.

A high protien low/carb diet will keep weight off more effectively than a high carb diet even if the calorie content is identical. Google "thermic effect of food" and "metabolic pathways of macronutrients"

As you might know I am a sceptic, I have put on weight lost weight, been extremely fit and strong and more recently less so, I always have a look at current fads and I note they have begun to try and delete the word 'diet' out of their newly created pseudo science that will ensure we now only need to follow this latest craze to stay healthy, fit and within the current preferred range of weight, the magic bullet usually nearly always being metabolism and some magical non absorption aspect.

Its been going on for generations, usually to be debunked soon after.

As an aside why currently is there such an anti carbohydrate brigade, it might be worth remembering rice and bread the new enemies of food fascists have sustained whole civilisations and still do, I assume we are just too spoilt by our food choices.

Anyway, I didnt google your requested search words, I went for NHS instead and it seems its still an eating issue

 

[BigGully]

This is bang on. When I worked regularly in London I would walk ten minutes to and from the station and that would be my only exercise. I would then sit on a train looking at my ipad or a book, sit at my desk drinking coffee and being fed an almost daily supply of donuts before having a huge lunch, sitting down again and getting the train home. Once home I'd have a big meal or, if working late, a takeaway at the station and reward myself with a bottle of wine on most nights too. Guess what? I ended up fat.

I've lost two and a half stone. While I have worked from home more I still travel to meetings in London every now and again and to see clients. The weight loss has come because I put exercise in to my day (running or stretching / cross training) but also because I cut down my food intake and said no to the wine and donuts more often than I said yes. All self control and lifestyle change.

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