[Politics] If there were a General Election tomorrow poll

[stewart12]

With a caveat.

In Worthing I'm voting for the person I bleieve is the best for the whole consitituency whether they voted for him or not, so therefore its Conservative.

However, as a nation I believe that Sir Kier Starmer, whether he wins both Worthing seats or not, will get a majority and hopefully go towards building a fairer, less woke, Britain.

woke means (as in what it actually means rather than what the media label stuff as) being aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality

I'm not sure how you can be a more fair, but less woke society?!

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Voted Lib Dem, but know that my opinion will zig and zag over the coming months. My issue is that, I believe, Politicians are becoming less aware of what it needs to be an MP. We sack MPs for daring to challenge the Party view on a series of issues or something that happened in their personal life 20years ago, which will result in 650+ androids. They all, from every party, have a strong self interest and very few can be held up as pure bastions of Parliament. *&^% 'um all, reduce it to 200 maximum and create a system for ten year plus economic policies so we stop the various wastes of money to serve party politics ...... in fact, just INTRODUCE PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION now and get more Independents that really care about their constituency but are allowed to have a back story or fight against the party and work for the people within their remit.

 

[Since1982]

As an adjunct to Mims Davies jumping ship (again) to a perceived safer seat, I noticed Jonathan Ash-Edwards, erstwhile undistinguished leader of Mid Sussex District Council, will be standing for the role of Police and Crime Commissioner.

In Hertfordshire.

Sometimes politics defies parody.

Hadn’t spotted that. Extraordinary! The electorate of Hertfordshire should be encouraged to visit Burgess Hill town centre to see the Ash Edwards legacy.

 

[WATFORD zero]

With a caveat.

In Worthing I'm voting for the person I bleieve is the best for the whole consitituency whether they voted for him or not, so therefore its Conservative.

However, as a nation I believe that Sir Kier Starmer, whether he wins both Worthing seats or not, will get a majority and hopefully go towards building a fairer, less woke, Britain.

You want a country who are unaware of social problems such as racism and inequality ?

I really can't believe that what was you meant, Lenny

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Corbyn came quite close to forming a Government in 2017, before the antisemitism smears.
You say that winning a GE is the only game in town to be a successful LOTO, and yet in your earlier post you argue that neither Thatcher or Blair who both went on to win 3 GE from that position, was a successful LOTO.

To use another football analogy, you’re moving the goalposts to suit your agenda.

I think he said he had no recollection of them in opposition, not that they weren't successful.

I don't think being in opposition while a government is without a majority and tearing itself apart over a Brexit that nobody can define or agree on, can be counted as successful no matter how many times the Conservatives failed to win commons votes, if you go on to lose the election by a massive margin.

I'd also add that, regardless of how close Labour came to winning in 2017 (and the reality is not actually very close at all), the fact is that Corbyn competed in two elections as leader and lost both of them.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn came quite close to forming a Government in 2017, before the antisemitism smears.
You say that winning a GE is the only game in town to be a successful LOTO, and yet in your earlier post you argue that neither Thatcher or Blair who both went on to win 3 GE from that position, was a successful LOTO.

To use another football analogy, you’re moving the goalposts to suit your agenda.

No. I said being a good or bad leader of the opposition is irrelevant. Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them. I did not say you need to win a GE to be a successful LOTO. It is irrelevant.

William Hague was a brilliant LOTO in as much as he bested Blair at question time week after week. It didn't matter. Only a Certain Type takes any notice of PMQT. Blair didn't give a f***, and neither did the electorate.

And.... quite close in 2017 you say? Given how awful the tories were, this is a total disaster for labour. Perhaps the first time ever that a government failed to lose an election they deserved to lose. Thanks to the Corbyn Factor.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bang-average and uninspiring sounds f***ing awesome after what we've had to put up with since 2016.

I was glad when Corbyn didn't just lose, but got trounced, at the last GE, as this meant the end of the idealistic pipe dream that a genuine left wing party could ever hope to win a majority in this country. We've now got far more cenrist Labour party with non-polarising 'meh' policies, and that suits me fine if it prevents the hard-right headbangers being elected.

Gosh. Certain types are still claiming that Cobyn came within a handful of votes of winning the GE with a massive landslide reflecting the massive popularity of his policies. Who is right here?

(It's you )

 

[lawros left foot]

No. I said being a good or bad leader of the opposition is irrelevant. Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them. I did not say you need to win a GE to be a successful LOTO. It is irrelevant.

William Hague was a brilliant LOTO in as much as he bested Blair at question time week after week. It didn't matter. Only a Certain Type takes any notice of PMQT. Blair didn't give a f***, and neither did the electorate.

And.... quite close in 2017 you say? Given how awful the tories were, this is a total disaster for labour. Perhaps the first time ever that a government failed to lose an election they deserved to lose. Thanks to the Corbyn Factor.

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Corbyn increased the Labour vote by more than any leader( including Blair) since Attlee in 1945.

And as for winning an election they deserved to lose?
I give you Major v Kinnock 1992.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I disagree - the current Labour policies are pretty centrist, which is what I - and I believe the majority of the UK actually want and need.

I don't think they are strong enough to enact meaningful change. We shall however see what they actually do in power and I'll reserve my judgement until then.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn increased the Labour vote by more than any leader( including Blair) since Attlee in 1945.

And as for winning an election they deserved to lose?
I give you Major v Kinnock 1992.

Corbyn comfortably lost an election Labour would have won with anyone half decent. Doesn't matter a f*** that he increased Labour's vote by a bigger increase since time began. He was following the mess that was Milliband.

But in 2017 all Jezza got was 30% of the vote. Up 1%. Against Theresa f***ing May

Here are the actual vote shares over time:

But what is this I see? There was another general election in 2019. Corbyn was leader. Oh dear, he tanked. Against Boris the Liar. Fancy that.

Corbyn was a complete and utter failure, a loser when the country desperately needed an alternative to the tory brexit bunglecunts, and subsequent bullshitting lazy useless lying Johnson. I couldn't care less if he caused the biggest % increase in erection girth in Islington since records began. He can get into the sea and stay there.

 

[Reddleman]

I voted them and you clearly have f*** all idea about what goes on up here, as most of what you have just written is based on media spin. We are not “ripped in two” and there isn’t anything especially appalling about the Greens.

Lived in Scotland for 40 years, still do. know exactly what goes on. Scotland is more divided than at any time in those 40 years. Literally every political issue is determined along constitutional lines. The Greens are responsible for some of the most ridiculous and failed policies ever to go through Holyrood.

What the SNP have done to Scotland is unforgivable.

 

[Ethelwulf]

Labour for me for first time since 2005

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn increased the Labour vote by more than any leader( including Blair) since Attlee in 1945.

And as for winning an election they deserved to lose?
I give you Major v Kinnock 1992.

Second part of your post. Yes, Kinnock deserved to lose. Alright?

 

[Ethelwulf]

Conservative + other = 13%.
Wow.
f***ed.

I remember on here when they were neck and neck with Labour
So many friends of mine that have voted Tory ever since 1992 have either gone red or will just not vote . I still predict the tories will get less than 150 seats

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I remember on here when they were neck and neck with Labour
So many friends of mine that have voted Tory ever since 1992 have either gone red or will just not vote . I still predict the tories will get less than 150 seats

I hope you're right. And I hope decent tories, with a sense of honour, can take the party over afterwards.

Ironically, had Sunk ditched Rwanda he might have rescued his own reputation, tarnished till then mostly by association. But he was frit, and slipped into revealing his snarling vindictive self at PMQTs

 

[Mellotron]

Labour.

 

[Ethelwulf]

I hope you're right. And I hope decent tories, with a sense of honour, can take the party over afterwards.

Ironically, had Sunk ditched Rwanda he might have rescued his own reputation, tarnished till then mostly by association. But he was frit, and slipped into revealing his snarling vindictive self at PMQTs

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Sunak is in my view a decent man but out of his depth as PM and unfortunately has allowed himself to be dragged into the mad house of the Tory right to stay alive
After the shit show of the truss premiership and the damage caused by her and Johnson the tories should have gone to the polls when truss quit yes they would have lost but it would have been damage controlled. They are f***ed with a capital F they could lose seats like Arundel and Horsham etc unheard of and unthinkable in the very short past
I will book the day after the election off so I can stay up all night and laugh my nuts off as some very high profile tories suffer the humiliation of losing majorities of thousands my fear is can Labour repair the damage caused in last 15 years which in my view is worse than the damage caused in 11 years by Thatcher .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sunak is in my view a decent man but out of his depth as PM and unfortunately has allowed himself to be dragged into the mad house of the Tory right to stay alive
After the shit show of the truss premiership and the damage caused by her and Johnson the tories should have gone to the polls when truss quit yes they would have lost but it would have been damage controlled. They are f***ed with a capital F they could lose seats like Arundel and Horsham etc unheard of and unthinkable in the very short past
I will book the day after the election off so I can stay up all night and laugh my nuts off as some very high profile tories suffer the humiliation of losing majorities of thousands my fear is can Labour repair the damage caused in last 15 years which in my view is worse than the damage caused in 11 years by Thatcher .

Sunak isn’t worried by the party, he’s too busy giving massive contracts to Infosys before he takes off for the States.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Sunak is in my view a decent man but out of his depth as PM and unfortunately has allowed himself to be dragged into the mad house of the Tory right to stay alive
After the shit show of the truss premiership and the damage caused by her and Johnson the tories should have gone to the polls when truss quit yes they would have lost but it would have been damage controlled. They are f***ed with a capital F they could lose seats like Arundel and Horsham etc unheard of and unthinkable in the very short past
I will book the day after the election off so I can stay up all night and laugh my nuts off as some very high profile tories suffer the humiliation of losing majorities of thousands my fear is can Labour repair the damage caused in last 15 years which in my view is worse than the damage caused in 11 years by Thatcher .

Sunk does come across quite well most of the time and you may well be right. He certainly didn't go into politics to enrich himself. But, as you say, out of his depth.

Election night will hopefully be just as much fun as 97. Not stayed up so late and downed so much wine in one sitting since

It will take a lot to fix things. Not sure Starmer has the mesmeric empathetic charisma of Blair, but maybe we need something different now. No dithering, and ruthlessly dealing with distractions. I expect Angie to be trebuchetted (the new defenestration) if it transpires there is a gun at the end of her smoke. And so on.

 

[Giraffe]

The sad reality is it probably doesn’t matter who is in power. The challenges are massive, and the options to resolve them are very limited. I’m increasingly of the view that our politicians don’t run the country, the civil service do, and therefore it doesn’t matter who is in power the end result will be the same anyway.

Population is too high
NHS is too large and too wasteful to function properly.
Aged population
Mass economic emigration across the world
Climate change
Increasing likelihood of pandemics due to over population of the world
Increased risk of wars due to over population of the world.

No politicians have the answers to the above, they’re just pedalling along pretending they do.