[Politics] If there was a general election tomorrow

[JC Footy Genius]

It really is quite telling that, after the year we’ve had, the utter incompetence on display from the government, you’re still incapable of holding them to account and instead choose to bring up Corbyn. Even when presented with evidence of the duplicitousness of those in power you ignore it and try and shift the blame on to others or imply that those pointing it out are somehow unreasonable. The abject tribalism that you display is exactly the reason the country is so broken.

Stop running away and trying to deflect from your point. You asked how someone could vote for a party clearly not up to the job .... you should know. If you want to see real abject tribalism (or at the very least blatant hypocrisy) have a look in the mirror.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Stop running away and trying to deflect from your point. You asked how someone could vote for a party clearly not up to the job .... you should know. If you want to see real abject tribalism have a look in the mirror.

Seriously? I’m trying to deflect? I asked a question and the response was “yeah but what about Corbyn”. Even now you’re trying to make this about Corbyn so you can avoid the difficult points raised about Tory policy before and during Covid.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Seriously? I’m trying to deflect? I asked a question and the response was “yeah but what about Corbyn”. Even now you’re trying to make this about Corbyn so you can avoid the difficult points raised about Tory policy before and during Covid.

Yes, you asked (after almost certainly voting for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party in 2019) how could anyone vote for a party that was clearly not up to the job of government ... you should know. Simply highlighting the obvious hypocrisy.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Yes, you asked (after almost certainly voting for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party in 2019) how could anyone vote for a party that was clearly not up to the job of government ... you should know. Simply highlighting the obvious hypocrisy.

Ok, cool. Well, as much I’d love to continue indulging you in your whataboutery so you can avoid difficult questions about your beloved boys in blue, I really can’t be bothered to waste my time. Merry Christmas

 

[TugWilson]

How on earth can you think to compare us to American where the president was a COVID denier, where people think its ok to rock up to polling booths with automatic rifles where the central belt is as extreme in its religious views as anyone in the middle east.

Big mistakes have been made and that is down to the character of the current PM whose strings were being pulled by the obnoxious Cummings

I was simply pointing out that even the richest country on the planet , with an organisation already set-up for such a situation , if not used correctly or quickly enough can still make mistakes .

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Ok, cool. Well, as much I’d love to continue indulging you in your whataboutery so you can avoid difficult questions about your beloved boys in blue, I really can’t be bothered to waste my time. Merry Christmas

Fair enough, I was only answering your question, sorry if it struck a nerve. Merry Christmas

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Fair enough, I was only answering your question, sorry if it struck a nerve. Merry Christmas

Hardly. Instead of actually answering my question all you did was say “but what about Corbyn”

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

IF BJ had a pair we'd have had a proper lock down and nailed it first time. It's been a pathetic shit show all year which is just going to career into a bigger shit show that is brexit.

So the CCP are the only government that have got it right, which is hardly surprising I suppose, as when you release a biological weapon you have to have already created a cure.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Hardly. Instead of actually answering my question all you did was say “but what about Corbyn”

No, I said 'you should know' because you are probably as tribal and partisan as those you condemn

 

[A1X]

Unfortunately in most of Sussex it makes bugger all difference

 

[TugWilson]

I've learnt to generally stay out of politics on here, but I'd be genuinely interested in why the 58 NSCers (so far) would vote Tory. They've been a complete shambles, haven't they? Even if you are a life-long Conservative voter, you must surely see that.

Obviously i can only speak for myself . I hate politics with a passion , but i would stand by BJ until we get the hell outta Europe . I am fed up with us having to ask Brussels for permission before we can do something in our own country . If anyone thinks we have been anything other than their **tch since 73 , then they have been misinformed or just plain conned .

This post was made freely without the need to submit paperwork for permission , or beg someone with a dodgy accent in the EU .

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

No, I said 'you should know' because you are probably as tribal and partisan as those you condemn

Exactly, you avoided the question. I'm glad we can agree

 

[Billy the Fish]

Do you really want to talk about failed leadership after the year we've had, really? But by all means, continue to live in this fictitious alternative reality where Labour did it worse instead of holding this current government accountable for it's ineptitude, callousness and corruption if it makes you feel better

You're saying a Corbyn lead Labour government would've done better, I'm giving you reasons why I think it wouldn't.

Everything else you've written is just emotive claptrap

 

[A1X]

You're saying a Corbyn lead Labour government would've done better, I'm giving you reasons why I think it wouldn't.

Personally I think one major positive of a Corbyn Government would have been a 12 month extension to the Brexit transition back in the summer which would have meant we wouldn't have had to spend the last 6 months fighting on two fronts and wouldn't have led to the kind of situations we've seen this week coming about, plus we would have secured cheaper vaccines (and possibly more) as part of an EU-wide procurement programme.

The rest is largely conjecture based on small differences (e.g. would Corbyn have locked down earlier, would he have locked down as hard etc.).

 

[Billy the Fish]

It really is quite telling that, after the year we’ve had, the utter incompetence on display from the government, you’re still incapable of holding them to account and instead choose to bring up Corbyn. Even when presented with evidence of the duplicitousness of those in power you ignore it and try and shift the blame on to others or imply that those pointing it out are somehow unreasonable. The abject tribalism that you display is exactly the reason the country is so broken.

Corbyn is entirely relevant to this discussion. It would've been him in charge of people hadn't voted Tory.

It's a binary choice, regardless of how shit option 1 is if I think option 0 is even more shit then i'll still vote for option 1 and it's a perfectly valid reason.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Personally I think one major positive of a Corbyn Government would have been a 12 month extension to the Brexit transition back in the summer which would have meant we wouldn't have had to spend the last 6 months fighting on two fronts and wouldn't have led to the kind of situations we've seen this week coming about, plus we would have secured cheaper vaccines (and possibly more) as part of an EU-wide procurement programme.

The rest is largely conjecture based on small differences (e.g. would Corbyn have locked down earlier, would he have locked down as hard etc.).

I agree with the general sentiment here and respect your opinion as a remain voter, even if I disagree about Corbyn. I think we needed the current deadline to keep minds focussed but wouldn't be unhappy if they announced an extension on the 30th.

You might want to look into how that vaccine procurement is going. They didn't get it any cheaper and didn't order enough of the Pfizer vaccine. Most governments are pretty unhappy, we've absolutely dodged a bullet there.

 

[Swansman]

Obviously i can only speak for myself . I hate politics with a passion , but i would stand by BJ until we get the hell outta Europe . I am fed up with us having to ask Brussels for permission before we can do something in our own country . If anyone thinks we have been anything other than their **tch since 73 , then they have been misinformed or just plain conned .

This post was made freely without the need to submit paperwork for permission , or beg someone with a dodgy accent in the EU .

Definitely a bit jealous about Brexit. The EU did not do us any good since we joined in 95, thats for sure. Its fun how pro-EU people are the ones saying "... but its good for growth and trade!" and in the next sentence talks about our consumerist lifestyles and endless money chasing is destroying the planet. Bizarre - you can have the globalisation nonsense or the ecological stuff but not both.

 

[Wardy's twin]

But maybe some people don’t care who you vote for or why.

that's a very weird position to take up. If you vote it should mean you have made a definitive decision based on what you know about the various policies etc. You will have taken up that position for a reason i.e. it might be because you benefit from the policies of that party or your motives might be more altruistic but either way once you make your decision surely you want that party to win and the best way of doing that is to convert other people to the same view.

As you suggesting that you just make your vote based on previous voting patterns or some very random pattern?

 

[nwgull]

Obviously i can only speak for myself . I hate politics with a passion , but i would stand by BJ until we get the hell outta Europe . I am fed up with us having to ask Brussels for permission before we can do something in our own country . If anyone thinks we have been anything other than their **tch since 73 , then they have been misinformed or just plain conned .

This post was made freely without the need to submit paperwork for permission , or beg someone with a dodgy accent in the EU .

Can you give an example of stuff a U.K. government has been unable to do or has had to ask permission to do from Brussels?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

You're saying a Corbyn lead Labour government would've done better, I'm giving you reasons why I think it wouldn't.

Everything else you've written is just emotive claptrap

I'd go as far as to say my dog could've done a better job than Johnson tbh. See post #136 for an insight as to why. 'Everything else' as you put, are facts that you are seemingly trying to avoid, and what better way to do so than drag up Corbyn and play out some fictitious alternate reality instead off examining what is actually happening.