[Politics] If there was a general election tomorrow

[Thunder Bolt]

Indeed and there are some times when the common vote gets it wrong - Hitler, Trump , Jair Bolsonaro, Putin to name 4 and the moderates get blown away leaving the extremes to fight it out at the expense of the greater majority.

This applies as much to Labour with momentum undermining moderates as the ERG.

Extreme views don't represent the majority , they either represent either the rich & powerful or people who put political theory over people's lives.

Well said. I was as unhappy with Seamus Milne, and Len McClusky on the left as I was with Cummings & co.

 

[sparkie]

Thanks for the heads up just clicked the link myself and page does not exist. Not sure what has happened here - the article is still on the CNN site - certainly no intention on linking to any dodgy sites, hence why I used CNN in the first place.

Remove the http:// at the front as the link starts with both http:// and https://

 

[Wardy's twin]

Well said. I was as unhappy with Seamus Milne, and Len McClusky on the left as I was with Cummings & co.

same here Mc Clusky especially as he torpedoed David Miliband...

 

[Wardy's twin]

And who gets to decide what constitutes extreme ? The MPs in question were ‘following their consciences’ in trying to prevent Brexit. Leaving the EU is not comparable to electing in Hitler. That is entirely false and such an insult that it does rather reveal the La La Land many remainers live in.

Common views defines decency and that fact that you don't know that is worrying.

Where did I say ' Leaving the EU is comparable to electing in Hitler' , I said that sometimes the common vote gets its wrong. Not a very good try at distorting my words to your own ends.

Ending with an attempted insult as you have no legitimate argument.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Common views defines decency and that fact that you don't know that is worrying.

Where did I say ' Leaving the EU is comparable to electing in Hitler' , I said that sometimes the common vote gets its wrong. Not a very good try at distorting my words to your own ends.

Ending with an attempted insult as you have no legitimate argument.

What a strange post. I’ll leave you to arguing with yourself

 

[Wardy's twin]

What a strange post. I’ll leave you to arguing with yourself

weakest reply i have ever seen on this forum

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

weakest reply i have ever seen on this forum

You are a little odd

 

[Boroseagull]

As an update on my previous posts I can confirm Spain, to a great fanfare, received their first (3 weeks after the UK) doses of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. The downside is, according to a birding friend here, whose son is an ICU nurse at Clinico, Malaga - he has been informed Spain will only receive enough vaccine to cover 4 million of the population by summer 2021 owing to 'shortages'. Seems to confirm reports in the Telegraph earlier in the week.

 

[Bakero]

As an update on my previous posts I can confirm Spain, to a great fanfare, received their first (3 weeks after the UK) doses of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. The downside is, according to a birding friend here, whose son is an ICU nurse at Clinico, Malaga - he has been informed Spain will only receive enough vaccine to cover 4 million of the population by summer 2021 owing to 'shortages'. Seems to confirm reports in the ..Telegraph earlier in the week.

Sounds dubious. 2.5 million people are due to be vaccinated in the next 12 weeks with the Pfizer vaccine alone.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Sounds dubious. 2.5 million people are due to be vaccinated in the next 12 weeks with the Pfizer vaccine alone.

2.5 million people in 3 months is roughly 4 million by the summer, maybe [MENTION=887]Boroseagull[/MENTION]'s mate was only taking into account the Pfizer vaccine. I assume they've ordered some AZ ones as well

 

[Bakero]

2.5 million people in 3 months is roughly 4 million by the summer, maybe [MENTION=887]Boroseagull[/MENTION]'s mate was only taking into account the Pfizer vaccine. I assume they've ordered some AZ ones as well

Orders in for AZ and Moderna, amongst others. You'd expect the weekly numbers to rise not fall during the second phase (due to start in spring),which is why I'd question the 4 million figure.

 

[nwgull]

Orders in for AZ and Moderna, amongst others. You'd expect the weekly numbers to rise not fall during the second phase (due to start in spring),which is why I'd question the 4 million figure.

Sounds like Chinese whispers or, dare I say it, anti-EU propaganda. The EU has pre-ordered 680 million doses of the 3 vaccines currently/imminently available: 300m Pfizer, 300m Oxford, 300m Modena.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sounds like Chinese whispers or, dare I say it, anti-EU propaganda. The EU has pre-ordered 680 million doses of the 3 vaccines currently/imminently available: 300m Pfizer, 300m Oxford, 300m Modena.

So 680m or 900m ?

 

[Bakero]

So 680m or 900m ?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2467

 

[portslade seagull]

Sounds like Chinese whispers or, dare I say it, anti-EU propaganda. The EU has pre-ordered 680 million doses of the 3 vaccines currently/imminently available: 300m Pfizer, 300m Oxford, 300m Modena.

Need to go back to school, maths please

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2467

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Thanks. I haven’t followed it closely. I think there is little dispute about them ordering now but the Der Spiegel investigation is about them previously turning down the offers of vaccines. No idea if it is true but I am interested when so many are willing to give the EU a free pass. We all know what those people’s reactions would have been if there were a story suggesting the UK Government had done similar.

 

[nwgull]

So 680m or 900m ?

Typo: should be 80m Modena.

 

[Bakero]

Thanks. I haven’t followed it closely. I think there is little dispute about them ordering now but the Der Spiegel investigation is about them previously turning down the offers of vaccines. No idea if it is true but I am interested when so many are willing to give the EU a free pass. We all know what those people’s reactions would have been if there were a story suggesting the UK Government had done similar.

I think it's pretty clear that the EU could have done better. However, the Der Spiegel piece seemed to be rather dismissive of the Oxford vaccine. The approval of that will put EU nations in a pretty good position, as far as I can see.

( Here is the Der Spiegel piece in English - www.spiegel.de/international/europe...es-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd-amp )

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I think it's pretty clear that the EU could have done better. However, the Der Spiegel piece seemed to be rather dismissive of the Oxford vaccine. The approval of that will put EU nations in a pretty good position, as far as I can see.

( Here is the Der Spiegel piece in English - www.spiegel.de/international/europe...es-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd-amp )

Yeah, I don’t think the EU deserve blame as such. Clearly they took decisions in good faith because of worries about vaccine effectiveness and because they always have a political balancing act to manage between 27 countries. We may never know whether or not a political decision was taken to protect the French company but again that is inevitable in such a large union. All politicians will make mistakes in current circumstances. I just can’t take seriously the posters on NSC and callers to radio stations who jump all over mistakes made by the UK Government but let the Der Spiegel article pass with barely any comment. It is complete double standards. There was an example of what I mean on LBC this morning. The subject of discussion was trust in Boris Johnson. A lady called in to say that she would not be having the vaccine because she doesn’t trust Boris !! That’s where political discourse has reached in this country and all because people got a referendum result they didn’t like.