Ian Tomlinson case. PC Harwood Not Guilty.

[dingodan]

Imagine if someone in a Millwall shirt had clobbered a policeman on film who died half an hour later. How many years inside do you think he'd get?

Wouldn't make it out of police custody.

 

[melias shoes]

Imagine if someone in a Millwall shirt had clobbered a policeman on film who died half an hour later. How many years inside do you think he'd get?

They would have a nasty accident in custody. Fell down the stairs. Honest guv.

 

[ifuhatepalacestandup]

Policing in UK only works - and can ONLY work - with consent and acceptance of the public.

Don't you think people might not accept a "rotten to the core" police force and do something about it?

Use of such a massive generalisation does nothing except detract from your comments.

funny thing is i thought last years riots started because some of the people did not consent to the way they where being policed. and did something about it. (although i dont agree with what they did it was not a member of my family that was shot ) Maybe i would have felt different if it had been

 

[withdeanwombat]

Lucky it's not Los Angeles.

 

[Spicy]

Seems a strange veredict to me, admittedly based only what I have seen on the box.

He was walking away, the policemen pushed him from behind, clearly not self defence. The policemen admitted he shouldn't have pushed him and wouldn't have if he had realised he was walking away.

If I push someone over in the street and they die as a direct cause of my action then surely that's manslaughter?

It could have been anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tomlinson took his frustration out on an innocent member of the public.

 

[dingodan]

funny thing is i thought last years riots started because some of the people did not consent to the way they where being policed. and did something about it. (although i dont agree with what they did it was not a member of my family that was shot ) Maybe i would have felt different if it had been

Good mini documentary I saw recently looking at the London Riots.

An unarmed man held down and shot dead by police at point blank range, and a 16 year old girl beaten by police. In case that slipped past people who watch the BBC or Sky.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The snide thug wouldn't have gone to court at all if it wasn't captured on film by a passer-by. Disgraceful verdict.

 

[ifuhatepalacestandup]

Good mini documentary I saw recently looking at the London Riots.

An unarmed man held down and shot dead by police at point blank range, and a 16 year old girl beaten by police. In case that slipped past people who watch the BBC or Sky.

thanks for this i had not seen it

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

f***. I agree with Bushy!

Same here.

Now I know about his past I find it incredible that this copper was still in the force on the day of the demonstration. Sadly for Tomlinson he was. The Met must surely sack him.

 

[melias shoes]

The snide thug wouldn't have gone to court at all if it wasn't captured on film by a passer-by. Disgraceful verdict.

This.

 

[melias shoes]

Same here.

Now I know about his past I find it incredible that this copper was still in the force on the day of the demonstration. Sadly for Tomlinson he was. The Met must surely sack him.

Absolutely this.

 

[TheJasperCo]

Good mini documentary I saw recently looking at the London Riots.

An unarmed man held down and shot dead by police at point blank range, and a 16 year old girl beaten by police. In case that slipped past people who watch the BBC or Sky.

Most of the footage in the documentary is taken from Sky, the BBC and other main press outlet. The person behind the video clearly has a police-bashing agenda, and in no way puts forward an unbiased version of events. The riots were the result of many, many factors - the narrator here discredits his own argument completely at times.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Imagine if someone in a Millwall shirt had clobbered a policeman on film who died half an hour later. How many years inside do you think he'd get?

He would be 'Hung out to dry' and we know it.

 

[glasfryn]

the police in this country already have a bad reputation and this is not going to make it any better, looking at it from the outside they don't help themselves this guy somehow invagled himself back into the met after being a naughty boy previously how could this happen someone either turned a blind eye or more probably they are fecking useless at their job, he should have been thrown out then, and WTF is the road rage bit all about.
I have met some very decent police officers along the way but even them when asked the question "if you knew another officer was up to no good or a bully would you at least drop the hint" all became very shifty and no answer was the firm reply.
I am afraid I am beginning the believe like other institutions these days the police are "rotten to the core"
RIP Ian Tomlinson........................justice is on the way

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

this guy somehow invagled himself back into the met after being a naughty boy previously how could this happen someone either turned a blind eye or more probably they are fecking useless at their job

I find it totally and utterly unbelievable that insuficient back ground checks are the reason this guy got back into the Met as a civilian only a few weeks after resigning and as an office a couple of years later. There is absolutely no way this guy's previous employment, and therefore his track record, would not have been flagged up when he re-applied. Yet more Met jobs for the boys and yet more Met cover up.

 

[StillHateBellotti]

Having worked with Edna I can safely say she is one of the better one's. I hope that they get rid of him as I would not wish to work with the liability.....

 

[Leekbrookgull]

So take a read of this. http://www.channel4.com/news/tomlinson-inquest-pc-harwood-gives-second-day-of-evidence

 

[GNF on Tour]

Appreciate your opinion on this particular subject, but I would honestly say it's not "some" coppers are decent, but "most" of them. The vast majority.

But unfortunately we all pay for it when the odd idiot slips through the net, because people only remember their behaviour and not the good stuff, and therefore adopt a default position of ACAB, which makes negotiating any situation difficult, no matter how much you want to help.

Fair enough, but here's hoping someone tracks him down one night in a dark alley and gives him the damn good shoeing he deserves.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I don't know Edna but I would say, of course you can have good people in the police and wouldn't doubt for one moment Edna not being one of them. Many are good but I've witnessed many who are not. But the core I speak about is mainly the institution and those at the top, the bosses.

I think a distinction between the Met and other forces needs to be made as well. A lot of people in inner-London will tell you that significant numbers are arrogant, aggressive and patronising. I have mentioned before a London BTP cop I know and his force feel the same when working with them. He also felt a significant reason for this is that they are trained seperately from the rest of the forces and Hendon breeds a feeling of elitism. The Met are a very different breed to the rest.

 

[jackanada]

It was nice after the riots because london was flooded with coppers from across the country. Had a nice chat to 2 yorkshire bobbies who had been left standing around Dalston. You didn't need to check their badges to know they weren't Met. They had smiles on their faces and were trying to be helpful to people.