Superphil
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You say that about the EFL games but there’s no guarantee that VAR would have overturned those decisions, such is the incompetence of PGMOL and its use of the VAR system.
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[Football] "I don't like VAR any more"
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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Tend to agree…the absolutely hateful post-goal moment of thinking ’was that a foul in the build-up’ or ‘was his toenail offside’ before celebrating a goal is really soul-destroying. I don’t get why the highly paid ‘marketeers’ at the PL don’t see this. It’s like Waitrose giving their Heston Christmas puds a coating of dog turd.
No it doesnt.
I would keep with with a time frame as you said, but lets imagine for a moment the time ticks over and a decision is not correctly made, do we think Klopp etc will
1. accept it in good grace
2. cry like the little bitches they are over why they are not extending the time?
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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I think clear and obvious also lends itself to quick decision ....
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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VAR was introduced to improve decision making by the officials. I thought it was supposed to intervene only in situations of “clear and obvious errors” but it doesn’t: it puts under the microscope the marginal offsides and the most extreme “hand ball” decisions that ends up spoiling the enjoyment of spectators. There are countless crap examples: the penalties against us v Chelsea last week and v Luton ( Dunk’s elbow) and Arsenal’s “handball” goal v Villa yesterday - clear and obvious? VAR could have been ( and still could be) a great enhancement to the game if it’s applied consistently by competent people. I would have thought that most of us don’t really care about or could tolerate the toe nail offside or finger nail handball decisions - we just want the many clear and obvious sh1t decisions dealt with.
Yep. Nailed on red card.
I was hoping it might swing the game so those Geordies got a point. As much as I'd love to see them shirtless Geordies lose!
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Just in the Spurs v Newcastle game today, Gary Neville was convinced Romero should have received a red card and that the Newcastle goal was offside. He was correct on both counts, but VAR upheld the ref's decisions. So what IS the point?
They need to work out the parameters for "clear and obvious" and how referees get back control.. As for LIneker, he must be sick of talking about VAR controversy week in, week out.
They need to work out the parameters for "clear and obvious" and how referees get back control.. As for LIneker, he must be sick of talking about VAR controversy week in, week out.
The furore this weekend seems to be from the Arsenal loving media and pundits, that they were robbed of two pens and a win. Pardew was at it tonight on TS.
But the ref/VAR got it spot on. Jesus was involved in a nothing incident 50:50, both players feet/legs touched 4’ off the ground, no foul by anyone. Predictably Jesus collapsed to the ground. Later Cash didn’t commit the offence of handball.
Well done the system on this occasion.
But the ref/VAR got it spot on. Jesus was involved in a nothing incident 50:50, both players feet/legs touched 4’ off the ground, no foul by anyone. Predictably Jesus collapsed to the ground. Later Cash didn’t commit the offence of handball.
Well done the system on this occasion.
I appreciate the mention and the essay, but the point is, it's a f**king lottery with key decisions WITH the VAR. And we're (those of us who go to games and made this sport sellable in the first place) just waiting around for the additional wrongness.
VAR should f**k off and, when it gets there, f**k off some more and keep f**king off until it can f**k off no more. And then get buried in a 300 ft hole. In Syria.
The alternative is to rewrite the laws of the game to be less subjective. While that would make the game more 'correct' it would change it from an art to a science and I can't actually think of a greater crime.
Boroseagull
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Two footed tackle, both feet off the ground, totally out of control - it's always been a red card even when I was officiating years ago!
I read your quote and thought you were talking about the Luton challenge that was 'check over' despite a two footed jump!
tronnogull
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- May 17, 2010
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VAR sucks the joy out of the game.
An acceptable VAR for me, which would meet the original ' clear and obvious' requirements would be....
1. VAR officials can only watch the game in real speed, no slow motion or freeze frames. Then the game is being reffed at game speed , as it always was.
2. No drawing lines on the pitch.
3. VAR only intervenes when VAR officials watching the game exclaim ' Holy crap, that looks like a major error by the ref / lino '. They say this in the ref's earphone and he goes to the monitor.
This way VAR would only intervene a few times each season but would catch the egregious ones.....hand of god, goal line technology didn't work, etc.
Yes, there would still be the same small mistakes that we used to live with, but not the occasional huge one.
An acceptable VAR for me, which would meet the original ' clear and obvious' requirements would be....
1. VAR officials can only watch the game in real speed, no slow motion or freeze frames. Then the game is being reffed at game speed , as it always was.
2. No drawing lines on the pitch.
3. VAR only intervenes when VAR officials watching the game exclaim ' Holy crap, that looks like a major error by the ref / lino '. They say this in the ref's earphone and he goes to the monitor.
This way VAR would only intervene a few times each season but would catch the egregious ones.....hand of god, goal line technology didn't work, etc.
Yes, there would still be the same small mistakes that we used to live with, but not the occasional huge one.
Exactly - PGMOL have made a completely perverse interpretation of 'clear and obvious'. If a toenail (or any other irrelevant body part of your choice) appears to be a clearly and obviously a couple of millimetres off side after a minute or two looking at stills and slow-mos, and drawing imaginary lines (not very well) it might be, to the prats at PGMOL, clearly and obviously off-side - but if it wasn't given, it is never, never, ever, a clear and obvious MISTAKE.
No, no, no.
It might not be going away in big tournaments and top leagues but it cannot be implemented lower down the pyramid and at grass roots level. Those are the levels where referees start out. The idea that we should end up with National League South and kids' games refereed naturally by refs still learning their trade, but then, when they become 'good enough' for the PL / internationals they rely on AI and tv cameras. and some halfwit in Heathrow talking over the salient points is absolute lunacy.
Surely it should be the other way around? Refs as they start to qualify are supported by replays and older, more experienced refs. Crowds of less than 200 just watching their relatives develop accept the delays. Referees develop from the experience and can then handle big games by themselves like big boys.
The idea that it should be the other way round is f**king mental.
EPL fans need to unite against this shite. Weeks of protest at every game, every ground, loud and proud on Sky.
Romero would have been banned for our match with the correct red card. Ridiculous.
I am not enjoying var but we all know what would happen without it. The first big match there will be a terrible penalty given or missed that was 100% the wrong decision and then pundits would lose their minds about referees and say that is what VAR could solve.
I think it is here to stay so just have all audio for the public to hear and screens to show it to the ground. Make stadia have screens. In the ground we just need to know wtf is going on. We all jump onto twitter to find out. It is nuts.
I am not enjoying var but we all know what would happen without it. The first big match there will be a terrible penalty given or missed that was 100% the wrong decision and then pundits would lose their minds about referees and say that is what VAR could solve.
I think it is here to stay so just have all audio for the public to hear and screens to show it to the ground. Make stadia have screens. In the ground we just need to know wtf is going on. We all jump onto twitter to find out. It is nuts.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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VAR is a bit of kit. Whether or not it's handled well by it's users doesn't change my view that football was better without it. It came with a lie that officiating can be perfect. It can't. It hadn't been for a century and football was still the greatest game in the world.