I believe the moon landing are fake because

[Brovion]

US Seagull - Save your breath (or rather fingers). I think you're being wound-up deliberately now by Redland (Redneck?) - nobody is that wilfully ignorant.

There will be no evidence to convince some of these morons (I'm not just talking about NSC posters but the general gullible public at large). Sorry maffew if those of us with a basic education and the ability to analyse facts as opposed to just accepting everything we're told are coming over as 'patronising', it's just exasperation.

Redland - I'm sure you are just taking the piss but remember the view that the US Gov't lies to its citizens is not a lefty viewpoint - the far right have believed it for a long time.

 

[Wardy]

Science can be used to say anything. Just because the theories saying that it is a fake have been defunked, does not mean that it is true.

Look at the court trials, you can have two top people in the same field say that a piece of evidence can be used in two differernt ways. Its all in the way you CHOOSE to intermpret the facts we have.

 

[US Seagull]

Science can be used to say anything. Just because the theories saying that it is a fake have been defunked, does not mean that it is true.

Look at the court trials, you can have two top people in the same field say that a piece of evidence can be used in two differernt ways. Its all in the way you CHOOSE to intermpret the facts we have.

Do you understand anything about how science works?

Scientific Process

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

I'm stupid, mainly. Also a little ignorant

 

[Pevenseagull]

I met Buzz Aldrin a few years ago and he didn't look like he'd been to the moon.

FACT

 

[Hungry Joe.]

I met Buzz Aldrin a few years ago and he didn't look like he'd been to the moon.

FACT

 

[Everest]

They were not faked. I know, I was there.

 

[Hungry Joe.]

There will be no evidence to convince some of these morons (I'm not just talking about NSC posters but the general gullible public at large). Sorry maffew if those of us with a basic education and the ability to analyse facts as opposed to just accepting everything we're told are coming over as 'patronising', it's just exasperation.

Brovian, I think you're a top fella as you know but I must take issue with you on this statement. People largely believe what they want to believe, what fits in to their world view. You believe one set of 'facts' over another. As Pevenseagull put so eloquently in his post on the Science vs Religion thread these 'facts' are only what we arrogantly believe to be proven certainties. They are not. Otherwise how can you explain scientists on both sides of this debate, people with equal education and intellect, arguing over whether the Moon landings happened or not. It is just as easy and pointless for you to label them, and anyone who believes them, as crackpots as it is for those who believe the conspiracy theory to label anyone who thinks it did happen as naieve and gullible. You have made your mind up based on what you believe from people you trust. Other poeple will take the same rational route and come to an opposite conclusion.

 

[Brovion]

Brovian, I think you're a top fella as you know but I must take issue with you on this statement. People largely believe what they want to believe, what fits in to their world view. You believe one set of 'facts' over another. As Pevenseagull put so eloquently in his post on the Science vs Religion thread these 'facts' are only what we arrogantly believe to be proven certainties. They are not. Otherwise how can you explain scientists on both sides of this debate, people with equal education and intellect, arguing over whether the Moon landings happened or not. It is just as easy and pointless for you to label them, and anyone who believes them, as crackpots as it is for those who believe the conspiracy theory to label anyone who thinks it did happen as naieve and gullible. You have made your mind up based on what you believe from people you trust. Other poeple will take the same rational route and come to an opposite conclusion.

I totally agree, and it looks like the same as when I'm arguing with Easy 10 about Ericksson and 'foreigners' playing for England we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I say that sadly because I believe it as much as I believe the world is round (it was the Flat Earth Society who in 1969 first said they were faked). I cannot believe that (to my mind) such a crackpot theory has gained such credence. But, hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe ailens did land at Roswell, maybe the so-called 'gas chambers' at places like Auschwitz really were just shower blocks, maybe the IRA really is a part of the British Establishment, maybe the American Establishment really was behind 9/11. With regards the moon there's nothing we can do it 'prove' it, even if we went back there to collect evidence that mission would be faked too wouldn't it?

 

[Hungry Joe.]

I totally agree, and it looks like the same as when I'm arguing with Easy 10 about Ericksson and 'foreigners' playing for England we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I say that sadly because I believe it as much as I believe the world is round (it was the Flat Earth Society who in 1969 first said they were faked). I cannot believe that (to my mind) such a crackpot theory has gained such credence. But, hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe ailens did land at Roswell, maybe the so-called 'gas chambers' at places like Auschwitz really were just shower blocks, maybe the IRA really is a part of the British Establishment, maybe the American Establishment really was behind 9/11. With regards the moon there's nothing we can do it 'prove' it, even if we went back there to collect evidence that mission would be faked too wouldn't it?

Fair enough mate. I am swaying towards the view that the Moon landings did happen but I am still confused by many of the things that don't seem to add up. Maybe there was an element of doctoring of photos and other spurious activities (for whatever reasons) surrounding the missions that have given creedence to the conspiracy theory. I don't hold your firm conviction but again, maybe if I did the amount of research you have done I would. I certainly respect your viewpoint as knowing you I know you wouldn't have jumped to any conclusions.

I still think this thread was unnecessicarily patronising and insulting to those who don't believe though (and I'm glad you didn't start it, even if you do agree with it's sentiments) and I think to lump anyone who does believe this conspiracy, or is sceptical about the whole thing, in with Hollocaust deniers and the like is taking it a bit far.

I agree that there is nothing that could be done to prove it one way or another. Even if the planned Japanese mission to photograph the Moon does show evidence of landing craft etc then there will undoubtably be those who think this is faked as a joint US/Japanese conspiracy. I for one would accept contemporary photographic evidence and leave it at that.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Of course the moon landings were faked.

The hot blast of the lunar module's boosters would have melted all the cheese...

 

[wadhurstseagull]

You seem to have forgotten the option that the moon does not infact exist and the name M.O.O.N stands for Made Out Of Nothing. It is an optical illusion that has the power to fool humans (hence the Moon Rakers story) oceans (tides) and Druids.

Throughout the ages man has considered the possibility of travelling to the Moon culminating in the myth of the 1969 landing. This "landing" was staged by N.A.S.A (the National American Scam Association) who used the money invested in the non existant programme to by a tin can factory and re-emerge as Del Monte in 1972. The current NASA is run form the from room of an orange grower in Spain. Launches are filmed using models left lying around by Gerry Anderson and are broadcast on the Del Monte TV station "Yes".

FACT

 

[wadhurstseagull]

BTW - Strange but true - ROCKET is an anagram of DEL MONTE if you get rid of one of the E's, the N,M,L and D and add a R,C and K

 

[US Seagull]

Otherwise how can you explain scientists on both sides of this debate, people with equal education and intellect, arguing over whether the Moon landings happened or not.

NO, you are wrong. There is not a single serious scientist that claims the moon landings were faked. There are a few crack pots who might have bought a degree from one of the well know degree mills or who might have a degree in Ph.D. in English or something but conveniently fail to mention that when they present themselves as "doctor" but there is not a single legitimate scientist who believes such drivel.
This isn't a question of alternative world views. Its is a legitimate and objective FACT that NASA sent men to the moon and back.

 

[Pavilionaire]

"I believe zat ze moon landingz vere faked. Fact"

Albert Schlumberger M.A Ph.D, BSc (Astrophysics - University of Zurich).

 

[US Seagull]

Here are some pages about some of the main proponents of the faked moon landing theory (not that not one of them has an advanced degree in any scientific subject):

Bill Kaysing - Writer/Librarian at Rocketdyne who left before the Apollo landings

David Percy - Photographer (and a bad one at that)

Ralph Rene - a "self taught engineer" - whatever that means (couldn't get into college perhaps?)

Bart Sibrel - an "investigative journalist" who has some books and videos he'd like to sell you.

(All from this site which has really good summary of moon hoaxes)

 

[JJ McClure]

Of course the moon landings were faked.

The hot blast of the lunar module's boosters would have melted all the cheese...

mmmm fondue

 

[C1 BHA]

I can't believe there's anybody left who actually thinks in their wildest dreams that the Yanks really landed on the moon......

 

[Hungry Joe.]

NO, you are wrong

The day I believe people like you will be the day I roll over and die. I would never have the arrogance to tell anyone they were wrong about something they believed. I might say "I think you're wrong" but that is a world away from statements like "it is a legitimate and objective FACT that that NASA sent men to the Moon and back". How the f*** do you know for sure? Did you go? Were you there? No, you weren't. So why should I believe your ramblings over anyone else's? The fact that you post shit threads like this makes me less inclined to trust anything you say.

Poll "I have an open mind therefore I must be...."

ignorant

insane

stupid

f*** off.

 

[US Seagull]

The day I believe people like you will be the day I roll over and die. I would never have the arrogance to tell anyone they were wrong about something they believed. I might say "I think you're wrong" but that is a world away from statements like "it is a legitimate and objective FACT that that NASA sent men to the Moon and back". How the f*** do you know for sure? Did you go? Were you there? No, you weren't. So why should I believe your ramblings over anyone else's? The fact that you post shit threads like this makes me less inclined to trust anything you say.

Poll "I have an open mind therefore I must be...."

ignorant

insane

stupid

f*** off.

No I'm sorry, but you have your head up your ass. It's an objective fact that German invaded Poland to start the second world war, and I wasn't there. I don't need to be. Not all beliefs are equally valid when they fly in the face of the observed FACTS. If you said the second world war never happened then I'd say you are wrong, not the I think you are wrong.
There is no basis for the believe that the moon landings were faked and every reason to believe they were real. Unless you have new evidence, anybody believing the landings were faked is living in a fantasy world.


I also noticed you haven't defended you assertion that there are serious scientists that think the moon landing were faked. Nice bit of misdirection while you throw your toys out of the pram. Grow up.