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Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
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Don't know about anyone else, but having witnessed semi final loses in '90, '96 & '18, losing a final doesn't hurt anywhere near as much.

Proud of the boys tonight, lost to the better team (imho) and were a couple of kicks away from becoming European Champions.

Yep the same


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Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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No Hurt, very predictable and entirely as expected.

7/1 on Italy pre tournament was a good bet.

England did well really, after '86, '90, '96 etc etc We didn't really expect any more did we ?

I took 11/1. Silly price for a team in such form.
 


Eric Youngs Contact Lens

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Dec 9, 2020
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East Sussex
Very disappointed but not hurt and as someone else has posted, no "hard-luck" stories in terms of decisions or incidents to blame so that helps vs. previous experiences. I would have felt differently had Jorghino scored his penalty and won it for them , as I , and no doubt many others thought he could have been sent off (and probably would have been in the PL last season!) BUT.. I just wanted it so badly to be different this time and of course has allowed myself to think that Italy were due a duff game (despite the form guide) and it would just be "our turn" for a wonderful moment!
Most depressing of all has been the S@*t behaviour of the idots yesterday. All too predictable and familiar..
 


BluesRockDJ

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Jan 24, 2020
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There I was thinking this thread was about the brilliant cover Johnny Cash did of the NIN classic !!
 


Sorrel

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Jul 5, 2003
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It doesn't feel as bad to me - especially as we drew the match and then lost on penalties, Back in the 1990s the upset (for me) was that we thought we could win it if we got to the final, as we'd've had a very good chance against the other finalists.

But there - and here - we lost to the winners. Doing that in the final doesn't feel quite so bad.
 




sully

Dunscouting
Jul 7, 2003
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Worthing
I think the fact that we didn’t actually lose the game has made it easier to take. No game should be decided by penalties but I don’t have a better idea in a tournament situation. We just lost the coin flip that decided who had which medals.
The team had a tournament they can be proud of and the whole tournament was really enjoyable. Italy also had a great tournament and were equally deserving of being in the final.
Football was the winner overall.
 


DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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My brain says reaching a final is progress compared with losing a semi 3 years ago, but my heart says we haven't broken the cycle and I am not feeling the progress.

Indeed, who is to say in 25 years time it won't be Saka the manager consoling the latest in a line of penalty bottlers? 80 years of hurt.

I find some solace in the knowledge that England can produce some brave sportsmen who can and have delivered World Cups at vital times, most notably Jonny Wilkinson, Ben Stokes and Joss Buttler.

…… and Bobby Moore?
 


Reddleman

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May 17, 2017
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Like most I am not hurting. I/we have seen England in a major final and after 2014/16 I honestly didn’t think I ever would. Also coming on the back of a World Cup semi which we were told was our best chance for years to reach a final it’s very pleasing.

Also this is a young squad, they have years together and there are two more major tournaments in the next three years. We can be so optimistic for the future.

If you had said to me after Iceland in 2016 that in the next two tournaments we would have done semi finals then final including beating Germany on the way I would have laughed in your face and called you a mad man/woman.

Onwards and upwards.
 




Binney on acid

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Nov 30, 2003
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When you put a failed club manager in charge of the national side, these things can happen. It was entirely predictable. There is no hurt. Extreme disappointment perhaps, but no hurt. I don't think it's a good idea to reward someone with the tactical acumen of Frank Spencer with a long term contract, knight him, have his statue in every town centre, and have his profile replace that of the queen on our coins and stamps, but that seems inevitable. Still, he gives impressive interviews and looks great in s suit. Perhaps our grand children might witness England success, but I doubt it.
 


sydney

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Jul 11, 2003
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was not and never will be a southgate fan and his decision to throw a very young and inexperienced Saka into the mix for the penalties just underlined to me what a fool he must be.

that tempered by the fact we were 1-0 up inside 2 minutes and slowly but surely let Italy back into the game (ring any bells) he took Rice off for Henderson and the Italians got a grip in the middle ......i'm just gutted at the result and seeing the appalling mess left behind all over London by English fans i'm afraid my mood is not all that good today ....
 


vagabond

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May 17, 2019
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Brighton
When you put a failed club manager in charge of the national side, these things can happen. It was entirely predictable. There is no hurt. Extreme disappointment perhaps, but no hurt. I don't think it's a good idea to reward someone with the tactical acumen of Frank Spencer with a long term contract, knight him, have his statue in every town centre, and have his profile replace that of the queen on our coins and stamps, but that seems inevitable. Still, he gives impressive interviews and looks great in s suit. Perhaps our grand children might witness England success, but I doubt it.

Which England manager has done better then Southgate in the last 50 years?
 




zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
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Managing England is a unique job. Success/failure at club level is irrelevant.

Gsouth has done better than anyone since Ramsay, although honourable mentions go to Bobby Robson and Tel.
 


Binney on acid

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Which England manager has done better then Southgate in the last 50 years?

I'm not interested in a history lesson. They had the advantage of playing at Wembley and beat a couple of mediocre sides. They couldn't beat, or even score against Scotland. The once in a lifetime Thomas Muller miss for Germany ensured that we progressed in the competition. Southgate does a very passable impression of Chris Houghton, but tactically, I've always cringed at his ineptitude. The Frank Spencer beret has been replaced with a waistcoat, but this time, I'm not laughing.
 


herecomesaregular

We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Oct 27, 2008
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Still in Brighton
On reflection, with such a young team I think we over achieved getting to the final and close to a result against Italy. They'll have learnt a lot and be stronger for next years WC. I'm not hurting too much tbf.
 




herecomesaregular

We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Oct 27, 2008
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Still in Brighton
I'm not interested in a history lesson. They had the advantage of playing at Wembley and beat a couple of mediocre sides. They couldn't beat, or even score against Scotland. The once in a lifetime Thomas Muller miss for Germany ensured that we progressed in the competition. Southgate does a very passable impression of Chris Houghton, but tactically, I've always cringed at his ineptitude. The Frank Spencer beret has been replaced with a waistcoat, but this time, I'm not laughing.

1966 or this Euros?

And rubbish, great players still don't score every chance, once in a lifetime miss my arse.
 


Klaas

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Nov 1, 2017
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When you put a failed club manager in charge of the national side, these things can happen. It was entirely predictable. There is no hurt. Extreme disappointment perhaps, but no hurt. I don't think it's a good idea to reward someone with the tactical acumen of Frank Spencer with a long term contract, knight him, have his statue in every town centre, and have his profile replace that of the queen on our coins and stamps, but that seems inevitable. Still, he gives impressive interviews and looks great in s suit. Perhaps our grand children might witness England success, but I doubt it.

Are you on acid??
Ah, sorry, yes, I see you are.
 


vagabond

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May 17, 2019
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Brighton
I'm not interested in a history lesson. They had the advantage of playing at Wembley and beat a couple of mediocre sides. They couldn't beat, or even score against Scotland. The once in a lifetime Thomas Muller miss for Germany ensured that we progressed in the competition. Southgate does a very passable impression of Chris Houghton, but tactically, I've always cringed at his ineptitude. The Frank Spencer beret has been replaced with a waistcoat, but this time, I'm not laughing.

Can’t help but notice you’re dodging the question.

Which England manager has been more successful then Southgate in your lifetime?
 






Blue3

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Jan 27, 2014
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Lancing
My view is the press have become progressively less influential over the past number of years, we now have an England set up which doesn’t seek publicity and a team with no superstars but are playing for each other.

However beware the press is still there and in a bid to boost sales will be working on stings set ups to catch players and management out, while equally building the expectations up to unrealistic levels as the World Cup finals approach
 




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