How will you feel if you vote for the losing side in the referendum ?

[JC Footy Genius]

Q: Should there be an upper limit on immigration?

A: Jeremy Corbyn ‘I don’t think you can have one while you have free movement of labour’.

Nice to see a straight accurate answer from the Remain side that confirms we cannot control immigration, no chance of an upper limit ..... while we are in the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-no-upper-limit-to-immigration-video

 

[Soulman]

JC and a few of the other brexiters on here know more though

Really, do we. What we think is that we shall be better off out of Europe, up until late last year Cameron said we would do ok out.
Perhaps we think that the EU is a busted flush, in massive debt, run and orchestrated by un elected faceless people who have interest in a EUSSR, not on individual countries.
Perhaps we feel that similar to avoiding adopting the Euro, we would be better off not being the cash cow. Just our opinions, we know no more than the Remainers, do we.

 

[Becktheman]

I will vote to leave.
Brussels is my main concern and when anything important is on the table most countries follow Germany, as I feel that they are under pressure and the appalling way Greece is being treated not acceptable.
When I voted for joining the Common Market the Prime Minister assured the British people that the UK would never become part of Europe, but years later stated that it was inevitable the country would be in the EU - he expected it all along.
The idea of the EU is the same laws for all and borders will not exist so you will all be Europeans and not English,Scottish,Welsh or Irish.
For me it is governing your country and not being overruled by Brussels or going to Germany for permission.

 

[NooBHA]

From articles regarding the situation of Scotland in the case of independence.

[FONT="][I]European Commission spokeswoman Pia Ahrenkilde-Hansen refused to make any new comment on the Scottish referendum at the Commission’s daily press briefing on Monday, saying “it is for the Scottish people and for the British citizens to decide on the future of Scotland”.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#616366][FONT="]She said the EU executive’s position on an independent Scotland had not changed.[/FONT][FONT="][I]She refused to spell out what that was, but in response to a request from Reuters, the Commission sent a letter from European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso to a member of Britain’s upper chamber of parliament in 2012. In the letter, Barroso sets out the Commission’s position on whether an independent Scotland would remain part of the 28-nation EU.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#616366][FONT="]“If part of the territory of a member state would cease to be part of that state because it were to become a new independent state, the (EU) treaties would no longer apply to that territory,” Barroso said, meaning an independent Scotland would no longer be part of the EU.[/FONT][FONT="][I]He pointed out however that any European state which met the EU’s membership criteria may apply to join the EU.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#616366][FONT="]Negotiations could take years[/FONT][FONT="][I]Asked whether an independent Scotland would have to apply to join NATO, a NATO official told Reuters that no discussions had been held on the issue and no decisions have been taken.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#616366][FONT="]“However, it appears widely agreed that, as a matter of law, a Scotland which has declared its independence and thereby established its separate statehood would be viewed as a new state. A new state would not be a party to the North Atlantic Treaty, and thus not a member of NATO,” the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.[/FONT][FONT="][I]“If it were to choose to apply for NATO membership, its application would be subject to the normal procedure,” he said.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#616366][FONT="]Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, leader of the pro-independence campaign, has dismissed suggestions that an independent Scotland would struggle to join NATO if it removed Britain’s Trident nuclear deterrent from Scotland as planned by 2021, or be refused membership of the EU.[/FONT][FONT="]Negotiations to join the EU and NATO can take ye​ars.


I don't think it's clear cut, but it would be viewed a as a new state so no automatic right of accession. Also, they would have to agree to adopt the Euro as a condition of joining.[/FONT]

That's nothing new - but Scotland meets all the criteria for being an EU member. It may take a few years to join but it also takes a few years to exit and as it is currently a member as part of the UK the exit period as part of the UK would be roughly the same time. So there would be no real change for a couple of years then it would be eventually accepted under new agreements of course.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Q: Should there be an upper limit on immigration?

A: Jeremy Corbyn ‘I don’t think you can have one while you have free movement of labour’.

Nice to see a straight accurate answer from the Remain side that confirms we cannot control immigration, no chance of an upper limit ..... while we are in the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-no-upper-limit-to-immigration-video

Basically Labour don't give it shit. Why should they care, they don't care about their old voters now, and they wont care about them later on. They have potential new voters arriving in this country everyday.

We stay in we are buggered, and when Labour get back in we will back at square one all over again. We will still have the same shortages as we have now, and our towns will resemble a tin of sardines.

Let them invite the whole world in because I fing give up.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Basically Labour don't give it shit. Why should they care, they don't care about their old voters now, and they wont care about them later on. They have potential new voters arriving in this country everyday.

We stay in we are buggered, and when Labour get back in we will back at square one all over again. We will still have the same shortages as we have now, and our towns will resemble a tin of sardines.

Let them invite the whole world in because I fing give up.

They took their support base for granted in Scotland and look what happened they appear to be making the same mistake in England/Wales.

Corbyn not only admitted the Skies the limit as far as immigration is concerned he also attacked the EU for creating the conditions in Eurozone countries (specifically Greece) which drives more people here. Wouldn't surprise me if he voted Leave in the privacy of the voting booth!

 

[Two Professors]

Do these people stand to gain in cold hard cash like The Digger ?

So do let us in on your knowledge of the gain in cold hard cash that Murdoch will make.Has he made a bet on Brexit with the bookies?Is Farage slipping him a monkey to back Brexit?Perhaps Cameron is bribing him to back Brexit,knowing the majority of people hold him in so much contempt they will vote Remain?
Do I detect a touch of racism in your post,or is it you just don't like wealth-creators?

 

[Two Professors]

""If the UK wants a treaty of commercial access to the European market, the British will have to contribute to the European budget like the Norwegians or the Swiss. If London doesn't want that, then the exit will have to be total,"........French economy minister.

Have you seen this clown?Of course exit will be total,like you can't be a bit pregnant.

 

[vegster]

So do let us in on your knowledge of the gain in cold hard cash that Murdoch will make.Has he made a bet on Brexit with the bookies?Is Farage slipping him a monkey to back Brexit?Perhaps Cameron is bribing him to back Brexit,knowing the majority of people hold him in so much contempt they will vote Remain?
Do I detect a touch of racism in your post,or is it you just don't like wealth-creators?

Hilarious! ... Just ask yourself what Rupert Murdoch will gain from the UK being out of the EU? he does not live here, in/out will not affect him personally in any way whatsoever. The only effect will be on his business empire and it's ability to make and keep money. Handily, he has his own media empire that can labour the point for him.

As for your jibe about me being a closet racist, you are obviously desperate to score some kind of point and have lamely played the racist accusation. Very poor.

 

[Two Professors]

Hilarious! ... Just ask yourself what Rupert Murdoch will gain from the UK being out of the EU? he does not live here, in/out will not affect him personally in any way whatsoever. The only effect will be on his business empire and it's ability to make and keep money. Handily, he has his own media empire that can labour the point for him.

As for your jibe about me being a closet racist, you are obviously desperate to score some kind of point and have lamely played the racist accusation. Very poor.

But if Britain goes bankrupt,followed by all out war,and a plague of locusts how can he make any money out of it?If you are not a racist,then why did you call him a Digger?

 

[vegster]

But if Britain goes bankrupt,followed by all out war,and a plague of locusts how can he make any money out of it?If you are not a racist,then why did you call him a Digger?

The Dirty Digger is an old term coined by Private Eye, along with The Bouncing Czech and Sir Jammy Fishfinger.... feel free to look those up, I do hope you have not been offended.

 

[Two Professors]

I'm certainly not offended,but I think the term is better used amongst themselves as some aren't keen on pommy bludgers and oxygen-thieves using it.I would still like to know how he is making money out of Brexit,though.

 

[vegster]

I'm certainly not offended,but I think the term is better used amongst themselves as some aren't keen on pommy bludgers and oxygen-thieves using it.I would still like to know how he is making money out of Brexit,though.

I must have been very mistaken then... I sure Mr Murdoch has only the highest altruistic values at heart when he uses his media company to politely encourage the free people of the UK to throw off the oppressive shackles of EU domination, it's obviously quite absurd to suggest that Brexit will be in his interests personally or professionally in any way.

I feel deeply ashamed that I might even think for a split second that directing his editorial staff to construct and publish arguments for Brexit in editorials while trying to report even-handedly on the forthcoming vote could constitute an attempt to skew the vote for his own advantage. It seems obvious now that this is just the work of a benevolent father figure merely guiding the hot headed youth of today in the direction that is needed for the good of the country.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Have you seen this clown?Of course exit will be total,like you can't be a bit pregnant.

I know respect is at an all time low in modern society but he holds a pivital position in the french government. He isnt a clown. He is making a perfectly plausible statement. If we want to trade then we will contribute to the eu budget (and will also have to have freedom of movement for labour). Best close your eyes and ears though

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I know respect is at an all time low in modern society but he holds a pivital position in the french government. He isnt a clown. He is making a perfectly plausible statement. If we want to trade then we will contribute to the eu budget (and will also have to have freedom of movement for labour). Best close your eyes and ears though

He may hold a position in the French government but he doesn't represent 27 nations at the negotiating table in a Brexit negotiation. Canada (as do most other nations) trades with the EU how much do they pay to the EU budget?

 

[Hampster Gull]

He may hold a position in the French government but he doesn't represent 27 nations at the negotiating table in a Brexit negotiation. Canada (as do most other nations) trades with the EU how much do they pay to the EU budget?

The eu will choose their negotiating stance, and the french will be at the heart of that. This "clown", and he is far from alone of course, will have a big voice. My view on the canada option...the eu will want to make life a bit difficult for us to deter others from leaving, so i expect very few concessions. And they will welcome scotland with open arms. Expect to fork out for the eu budget and accept eu migrants.

 

[Ernest]

The Dirty Digger is an old term coined by Private Eye, along with The Bouncing Czech and Sir Jammy Fishfinger.... feel free to look those up, I do hope you have not been offended.

Ugandan affairs is my favourite

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The eu will choose their negotiating stance, and the french will be at the heart of that. This "clown", and he is far from alone of course, will have a big voice. My view on the canada option...the eu will want to make life a bit difficult for us to deter others from leaving, so i expect very few concessions. And they will welcome scotland with open arms. Expect to fork out for the eu budget and accept eu migrants.

The French will have to dilute their position just like all the other members it's what the EU is all about. Some nations may want to play hard ball to prove a point and some will remember we will be the EU's biggest single trading partner, a vital market and are close Allies cooperating on numerous fronts. Considering the state of the Eurozone economy I think it highly likely all sides will come to a mutually beneficial grown up agreement. Expect the £8 to 10 Billion yearly membership fee to cease and free movement of EU migrants to end.

Scotland will join the EU about a week after Turkey does.

 

[Hampster Gull]

The French will have to dilute their position just like all the other members it's what the EU is all about. Some nations may want to play hard ball to prove a point and some will remember we will be the EU's biggest single trading partner, a vital market and are close Allies cooperating on numerous fronts. Considering the state of the Eurozone economy I think it highly likely all sides will come to a mutually beneficial grown up agreement. Expect the £8 to 10 Billion yearly membership fee to cease and free movement of EU migrants to end.

Scotland will join the EU about a week after Turkey does.

I am sure there will be tempering of views on all sides, not just the eu's. But our economy is more reliant on the eu than they are of us. So we are in a weaker position. And there is no way our net contributon to the eu budget will be zero and its highly likely that there will be free or significant movement of labour. Why, because thry will not want a precendent. And scotland will join within a handful of years after voting out of the uk, which eill be a few years after the brexit vote

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I am sure there will be tempering of views on all sides, not just the eu's. But our economy is more reliant on the eu than they are of us. So we are in a weaker position. And there is no way our net contributon to the eu budget will be zero and its highly likely that there will be free or significant movement of labour. Why, because thry will not want a precendent. And scotland will join within a handful of years after voting out of the uk, which eill be a few years after the brexit vote

Hopefully we will get to see who made the more realistic, accurate prediction after Thursday's vote.