How many refugees can you fit in a car?

[Hastings gull]

To be honest i think you have gone off have cocked again old mate. However I think you are out of order trying to cast doubt on another posters honesty just to continue your petty feud with me (especially based on such flimsy evidence). I assume this is also the reason you took my comment as an attempt to be an authority on anything.

Your last sentence is spot on, I wrote 'good on you' in reply to a poster who had done something I approve of. Something every single poster on every single forum and social media sit does (there is even a button for it on most). I am not sure how you have managed to find so much about that to complain about. If you really get so riled up by this I would suggest that the ignore button is your friend.

What utter nonsense. The point was that you are as ever so ready to believe what you want, and whilst I wrote that I was not in any way certain as to the veracity of the statement, based on at least talking to locals who, as I , buy the Observer, watch local telly and are aware of day to day events, I accepted that it could be true. If this is flimsy evidence, then what are you guilty of, taking a post's statement as gospel, because it happens to suit you. By that logic, you take everyone's posts as the gospel truth, but your many one-liners designed to provoke, show that when the post is inconvenient, you clearly do not! Did you not write on one occasion that you deliberately avoid topics on the UK, because of your location -that wasn't true, was it?
I am fully aware what your statement "good on you" was in response to - as I recall the poster had not actually done anything other than report what was happening in Hastings.

 

[sydney]

All very 'right on' and 'hollier than thou' at the time eh to start spouting off about how we should all take them in if we have room!!
And all the dicks like Bennydick Cunterbatch telling all those who will listen how nasty our government is for not giving enough tax payers money to his liking.
Just don't seem to get why these people who seem to be on a constant lookout for any do gooding band wagon to jump on and have all this spare accommodation available haven't given it to homeless poor families from this country....or is that not a good enough cause?

OH MY GOODNESS....i am completely affronted by such mean spirited poppycock.......let's let all and sundry in ,drain the ****in' economy dry, drop the average standard of living back to the level of the 1300's.......Benedict and his ilk will be the first one on a plane to Malibu , if he's not already there.....

 

[sydney]

this latest flood of migrants/refugees from Northern Africa , Afghanistan , Syria and Iraq represents an enormous problem for Europe , as soon as they landed on the Greek Islands they were fighting amongst themselves , the internet is awash with film of the upheaval caused as these people arrive in Europe and yet some people seem to think that they should be allowed in and that everything will be fine, which, in my opinion , in this instance , is clueless.....!!! There was a massive Arab community in Sydney when i lived there , they do not integrate , they do not want to integrate......that is a fact....!!

oh well , here i am quoting myself.......no answer is there....

 

[cunning fergus]

We offered to take in a family for a month. Obviously through the right channels, not just anyone knocking on the front door.
I understand that 12 refugees were allocated to Hastings council & Lewes got 12 also.
In Hastings the number of volunteers far exceeded the number of refugees & we weren't needed.
If they contact us again next year when the next 2000 come over then we'll consider offering again.

That is very generous of you, and the other households, I take my hat off to you all.

As I am sure you are aware Hastings also has its own homelessness problems.................

http://www.snowflake-nightshelter.org.uk/

Out of interest why not consider offering the same generosity to these individuals in Hastings?

 

[marshy68]

Bearing in mind migrants (I suspect you mean 'immigrants') - and these new arrivals are refugees - have made a net contribution to the Exchequer to the tune of over £5bn over the past 15 years, can you provide first-hand, empirical, peer-tested evidence that 'this latest round of migrants will have a derogatory effect like none seen before'...? I don't mean using third-person hearsay, internet fantasies, nor prejudicial half-truths.

Thanks.

This will bells on

 

[alfredmizen]

That is very generous of you, and the other households, I take my hat off to you all.

As I am sure you are aware Hastings also has its own homelessness problems.................

http://www.snowflake-nightshelter.org.uk/

Out of interest why not consider offering the same generosity to these individuals in Hastings?

Because its not as fashionable and won't make him feel nearly as good about himself.

 

[Soulman]

That is very generous of you, and the other households, I take my hat off to you all.

As I am sure you are aware Hastings also has its own homelessness problems.................

http://www.snowflake-nightshelter.org.uk/

Out of interest why not consider offering the same generosity to these individuals in Hastings?

I take my hat off to him as well, but just wonder why he doesn't take in local homeless or ex squaddies that are on the streets. ..just until the next wave of refugees are available. Seems strange that seeing as he is so keen and accommodating that he unluckily missed out on the first lot. Hopefully he will update us when he kindly manages to house his chosen homeless.

 

[alfredmizen]

I take my hat off to him as well, but just wonder why he doesn't take in local homeless or ex squaddies that are on the streets. ..just until the next wave of refugees are available. Seems strange that seeing as he is so keen and accommodating that he unluckily missed out on the first lot. Hopefully he will update us when he kindly manages to house his chosen homeless.

If I didn't know better I'd say I can detect a note of cynicism here

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

I take my hat off to him as well, but just wonder why he doesn't take in local homeless or ex squaddies that are on the streets. ..just until the next wave of refugees are available.

Perhaps because most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness and would require more help than the poster could give?

Just one consideration from many i guess. But a very clever/stupid comment by you, keep it up!

 

[Hastings gull]

Perhaps because most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness and would require more help than the poster could give?

Just one consideration from many i guess. But a very clever/stupid comment by you, keep it up!

But the argument that the post used for migrants, is surely the same for the homeless. He did not want anyone knocking on the door -fair enough - but to go through the right channels, so there must also be a "right channel" for the homeless, where someone without mental health problems would come to light.

 

[alfredmizen]

Perhaps because most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness and would require more help than the poster could give?

Just one consideration from many i guess. But a very clever/stupid comment by you, keep it up!

Can you provide a source that shows MOST homeless people suffer from mental health issues ?

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

But the argument that the post used for migrants, is surely the same for the homeless. He did not want anyone knocking on the door -fair enough - but to go through the right channels, so there must also be a "right channel" for the homeless, where someone without mental health problems would come to light.

I thought this thread was about refugees?

Yes, i agree there should be right channels for homeless people.

 

[Soulman]

Perhaps because most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness and would require more help than the poster could give?

Just one consideration from many i guess. But a very clever/stupid comment by you, keep it up!

Keep what up, there are organisations that have homeless on their books that are not "suffering from some type of mental illness", or do you in your ignorance class all our homeless as "suffering from some type of mental illness"....i suggest the "very clever/stupid comment" has possibly been posted by you.

 

[Soulman]

Perhaps because most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness and would require more help than the poster could give?

Just one consideration from many i guess. But a very clever/stupid comment by you, keep it up!

Oh and perhaps you provide a source that shows MOST homeless people suffer from mental health issues ? while you are at it.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

..or do you in your ignorance class all our homeless as "suffering from some type of mental illness".

Err no, read my post again, you've either misread or struggling with english tonight.

 

[Soulman]

Err no, read my post again, you've either misread or struggling with english tonight.

Ok you stated "most", so you think "most" of our homeless are " "suffering from some type of mental illness"......nice one, and the evidence then?

 

[El Presidente]

Oh and perhaps you provide a source that shows MOST homeless people suffer from mental health issues ? while you are at it.

Shelter did an investigation a few years ago, and these were the statistics they produced.

The prevalence of neurotic disorder (mainly anxiety and depression) was similar
in both hostel and private sector leased accommodation (PSLA) residents at 35-
38%. The PSLA findings however are less relevant to this review as the residents
tended to be families; predominantly women who were pregnant or who had
young children. The prevalence of psychosis was estimated as 2% amongst
PSLA and 8% amongst hostel residents. No direct estimates of neurosis or
psychosis were made in those staying in night shelters or visiting day centres.
However, a likely psychiatric diagnosis was found in 60% of these populations.
In addition, approximately half were alcohol dependent and up to a quarter
drug dependent. Substance use was considerably lower for PSLA and hostel
dwellers: PSLA residents showed 3% alcohol and 2% drug dependency and
hostel residents 16% alcohol and 6% drug dependency (Gill 2003). These data
suggest that the prevalence of common mental health problems is over twice
as high and of psychosis 4-15 times as high amongst the homeless population
compared to the general population.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Shelter did an investigation a few years ago, and these were the statistics they produced.

Unfortunately alcoholism and drug dependency often cover mental health issues.

 

[Soulman]

Shelter did an investigation a few years ago, and these were the statistics they produced.

Thanks, so fairly low on mental illness "The prevalence of neurotic disorder (mainly anxiety and depression) was similar
in both hostel and private sector leased accommodation (PSLA) residents at 35-
38%.
But higher on drink and drug abuse.

 

[Soulman]

It's a terrible situation that these people find themselves in. Shelter is a fantastic organisation and does incredible, non-judgemental, direct work for those people many of us pretend don't exist.

My son is autistic, unemployable, and he works with the likes of Shelter in an unpaid role here in Manchester collecting and distributing food to those on the streets. The tales he tells me are pretty soul destroying.

I bet they are soul destroying. I would imagine unlike PP who stated " most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness" that many are severely depressed, but as the Shelter figures showed definitely not " most homeless people in this country are suffering from some type of mental illness". I would imagine that many have taken to drugs and drink because of the situation. Your son would know more about the real issues than i, and hopefully charities like Shelter, well long may they continue.
Strangely enough i have just received a Christmas card from up north, a chap that lived at mine when he was going through a rough time, probably not as rough as people your son comes into contact with, anyway he now has a good life, home, wife and grown up sons.