[Politics] How long will Brexit continue to dominate British Politics ?

[Simster]

The problem with Brexit is that no-one expected leave to win so no-one planned for it.
What should have happened is that after the vote a national commission of some sort should have been assembled with all the political parties and all the major industries to put together a sensible plan.
What happened instead was that the woeful Theresa Remainer May sent a single civil servant to Brussels to get shafted.
Brexit will dominate the headlines all the time that the Brexit-deniers (metropolitan elite/BBC/Whitehall civil servants) continue to whinge and whine instead of backing the country.

The second half of that post is absolute crap.

A single civil servant? I seem to remember a cabinet of Brexiteers going over to do the negotiations, and while the EU turned up with lawyers, we turned up with that clown David Davies armed with a pencil.

Whinge and whine instead of backing the country? You Brexiteers have had 6 years to add some Brexit value, and you've singularly failed. If people continue to "whinge and whine", that might be why.

 

[WATFORD zero]

At the time respected European area journalists such as Katya Adler and Anna Holligan said we still had lots of friends and friendly nations who were sad. Germans, Poles, Dutch, Swedes, Danes, Finns, Czechs. They meant politicians and business people. The Germans liked the way we traded and our business ethos, as opposed to French ways.

I’m very hopeful there’d be goodwill.

I believe there is. The EU are quite pragmatic and I don't believe that the majority were particularly upset by our actions, just shocked at what we did. It appears that over 60% of the UK electorate now know why they were shocked

 

[KZNSeagull]

Given that Boris Johnson was the prime mover behind Vote Leave winning - why are you blaming the shitshow on May's deal not getting through? Surely if you voted for Brexit, you voted for Johnson's deal?

I've no idea why individual people voted for Brexit (there certainly wasn't just one reason), but it was reasonable to suggest that May's Brexit deal was going to be better than a Johnson led one. Parliament had the chance to go for a "soft" Brexit but decided it would rather bring May down in the belief that the British public was wrong to vote for Brexit in the first place and wouldn't be silly enough to vote in Johnson. Sometimes you have to compromise and Parliament had the chance to but failed to take it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I've no idea why individual people voted for Brexit (there certainly wasn't just one reason), but it was reasonable to suggest that May's Brexit deal was going to be better than a Johnson led one. Parliament had the chance to go for a "soft" Brexit but decided it would rather bring May down in the belief that the British public was wrong to vote for Brexit in the first place and wouldn't be silly enough to vote in Johnson. Sometimes you have to compromise and Parliament had the chance to but failed to take it.

The only significant difference in the May deal was the Northern Ireland Backstop. Johnson then replaced this with the Northern Ireland Protocol which, when demonstrably didn't work, was replaced again with The Windsor Framework, which is Theresa May's Northern Ireland Backstop rebranded.

A Prime example of how the very concept of some sort of Brexit deal was fundamentally flawed from the very beginning

 

[Eric the meek]

At the time respected European area journalists such as Katya Adler and Anna Holligan said we still had lots of friends and friendly nations who were sad. Germans, Poles, Dutch, Swedes, Danes, Finns, Czechs. They meant politicians and business people. The Germans liked the way we traded and our business ethos, as opposed to French ways.

I’m very hopeful there’d be goodwill.

That's good to hear. I share your hope.

A new generation of politicians, the certainty of Brexit failing, an impending general election, together with the UK and EU sharing a common interest in developing trade between each other, all points to a softening of relations with the EU. For the moment though, the Brexiteers are still in power.

 

[Weststander]

That's good to hear. I share your hope.

A new generation of politicians, the certainty of Brexit failing, an impending general election, together with the UK and EU sharing a common interest in developing trade between each other, all points to a softening of relations with the EU. For the moment though, the Brexiteers are still in power.

Macron (I know many French loathe him, especially socialists) was very classy and respectful e.g. when the Queen died. Travelling across several EU nations in the last few years, I found that Brits are liked, "when are you coming back to the EU?".

In this increasing dangerous world with 'bad actors' such as Iran/Russia/Trump, I said this throughout, we need alliances with friendly neighbours, the more the better.

MEP's and Commissioners accruing astonishingly high pensions, is about 5,000,000th on the list of things to be concerned about.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If it was only the ERG voting against it, it would have passed through Parliament. Don't forget the part that opposition parties took in blocking everything, calling for second referendums etc resulting in May resigning, her deal not being agreed and Boris ending up with a stonking majority and the monumental balls up that resulted.

The opposition were always going to oppose it. May had enough of a majority to squeeze her deal through with the DUP.
Johnson stabbed her in the back to take over the leadership.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think it will be small steps, a new customs 'deal' for Britain (because we're so special) which may have an awful lot in common with a customs union, then maybe re-join the Single Market. It will take a long time and of course we will get nowhere near the deal politicians of all political hues managed to negotiate over the last 40 years of being one of the two biggest players in the EU.

Obviously we desperately need things to change to try and turn our economy round, but if we re-joined fully tomorrow, the negative effects would still last generations

The first step has already been taken by Sunak, by rejoining Horizon.
Johnson was so keen to boast about his oven ready deal, that he told his devoted lap dogs to vote for his deal sight unseen. They had just 36 hours to read pages and pages of it, so when people like Dominic Raab said he didn’t realise how important Dover was to trade, he was showing his complete ignorance, unsurprisingly.

Dominic Raab under fire over Dover-Calais comments

Critics suggest the Brexit Secretary doesn't "understand the basics" after remarks about trade.

www.bbc.co.uk

Horizon was just written off, just like that!
Equally, the ignorance about land borders, NI, Gibraltar and the Good Friday Agreement, some of which is still ongoing with the DUP refusing to take their seats in Stormont. Johnson declared the Irish border would run through the Irish Sea over his dead body. It is, and he’s still alive!

 

[taz]

Remoaners still going on about brexit only people that even think about brexit are remoaners every one else has moved on..... poll :who will cry the longest remoaners or Liverpool disallowed VAR goal

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Remoaners still going on about brexit only people that even think about brexit are remoaners every one else has moved on..... poll :who will cry the longest remoaners or Liverpool disallowed VAR goal

Nice one taz. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Btw, there is no such things as remainers now.

 

[LadySeagull]

"there is no such things as remainers now."

I think there is. Here on NSC. Move on.

 

[Bodian]

The first step has already been taken by Sunak, by rejoining Horizon.
Johnson was so keen to boast about his oven ready deal, that he told his devoted lap dogs to vote for his deal sight unseen. They had just 36 hours to read pages and pages of it, so when people like Dominic Raab said he didn’t realise how important Dover was to trade, he was showing his complete ignorance, unsurprisingly.

Dominic Raab under fire over Dover-Calais comments

Critics suggest the Brexit Secretary doesn't "understand the basics" after remarks about trade.

www.bbc.co.uk

Horizon was just written off, just like that!
Equally, the ignorance about land borders, NI, Gibraltar and the Good Friday Agreement, some of which is still ongoing with the DUP refusing to take their seats in Stormont. Johnson declared the Irish border would run through the Irish Sea over his dead body. It is, and he’s still alive!

And in a sign of things to come, under the new Horizon deal, we are paying more than we were when in the EU. In effect, we have left, rejoined - and are paying an increased fee to do so.

The analogy will be all the other rebates, discounts and vetos that we had negotiated with the EU over the years. We won't be see-ing them again if/when we rejoin.

That's the Brexit Bonus apparently.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Exports to the EU are the highest they have been, try to cheer up a bit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

"there is no such things as remainers now."

I think there is. Here on NSC. Move on.

And the latest plan to avoid any responsibility and not address any of the current issues they caused ? Run away and say we don't want to talk about it any more

Case rests m'lud

 

[Rogero]

This is a 4 year old thread and the only time I hear about it is on here. In the last 4 years covid has dominated, parties at no 10 have dominated,the Ukraine war have dominated, power costs have dominated,now the Palestine situation . I never hear brexit mentioned.

 

[nicko31]

Nice one taz. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Btw, there is no such things as remainers now.

There is.

There are those that remain gaslit

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This is a 4 year old thread and the only time I hear about it is on here. In the last 4 years covid has dominated, parties at no 10 have dominated,the Ukraine war have dominated, power costs have dominated,now the Palestine situation . I never hear brexit mentioned.

Maybe you're not listening, because it is in the news. Horizon as just mentioned, the delaying of import tariffs for the fifth time by this government have both been in the mainstream news recently.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

"there is no such things as remainers now."

I think there is. Here on NSC. Move on.

Oh, did your alarm ring? Parking problems and Brexit alarms?

I am a Rejoiner not a Remainer.

 

[Weststander]

This is a 4 year old thread and the only time I hear about it is on here. In the last 4 years covid has dominated, parties at no 10 have dominated,the Ukraine war have dominated, power costs have dominated,now the Palestine situation . I never hear brexit mentioned.

There's a lot of truth in that, I literally only hear it here.

And I know/meet lots of folk including businessmen, also people who voted on either side at the time.


Imho that's due to the overwhelming majority just getting on with their lives or with tunnel vision for boozing/buying huge volumes of fireworks for their worshipped 19 year old's b'day party. I really think that most Brits have next to no interest in Ukraine, Uyghurs, etc.

 

[WATFORD zero]

This is a 4 year old thread and the only time I hear about it is on here. In the last 4 years covid has dominated, parties at no 10 have dominated,the Ukraine war have dominated, power costs have dominated,now the Palestine situation . I never hear brexit mentioned.

Well if you want to stay informed, the BBC still has a whole page devoted to the issues associated with Brexit so I guess there's still someone talking about it

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/uk_leaves_the_eu