Bold Seagull
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Amazingly 96/97 19 of the 20 teams got 39 pts or more.
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[Football] How few points to stay up
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Amazingly 96/97 19 of the 20 teams got 39 pts or more.
Barham's tash
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Was having this debate with a Brentford season ticket holding relative after our win against them where he was lamenting the loss of their keeper for a prolonged period as to why marginal results were going against them (I reminded him there was nothing marginal about our result) and how he felt like it was time for them to start looking over their shoulder.
We settled on thinking it almost impossible for the bottom three to exceed 32 points as that was effectively doubling their performance level over the second half of the season which is incredibly hard to do and that therefore 30-32 would be the survival margin.
After today's results I think Leeds will pull away to finish on 35-40 once they get their players back. Burnley might well have finally not enough. Norwich are gone and that it therefore was between Newcastle and Watford for the final spot. I think if you're a mid table team in transition such as Everton (being kind to them) then it's a 'good' year to have a bad year and get away with it.
We settled on thinking it almost impossible for the bottom three to exceed 32 points as that was effectively doubling their performance level over the second half of the season which is incredibly hard to do and that therefore 30-32 would be the survival margin.
After today's results I think Leeds will pull away to finish on 35-40 once they get their players back. Burnley might well have finally not enough. Norwich are gone and that it therefore was between Newcastle and Watford for the final spot. I think if you're a mid table team in transition such as Everton (being kind to them) then it's a 'good' year to have a bad year and get away with it.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
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https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/25-january-2021/
19 games played by most sides. We were 17th on 17 points. We got 24 points from the second half of the season. Fulham and West Brom were on similar points to the current bottom 3.
Machiavelli
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If you think we need three more wins to stay up, you don't understand modern football. Feel free to bounce at the end of the season.
36 points to stay up has been enough in almost every season in the last 15 years. Tell me what that has to do with modern football? Last year 29 was enough. That would be 2 more draws.
I’m really keen to hear more.
Machiavelli
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1, yes, 36 has been enough but, then again, so has 99. What's 36 got to do with it?
2, you said three more wins were needed to stay up, which also ignores any potential draws.
3, you were also the one that brought up the issue of people "not understanding modern football".
Beat Palace, Burnley and Villa at home, plus Watford away and we're safe before the end of February.
1. 99 seems like an awful lot.
2. Yes. So three more wins would take us to a minimum of 36, and with another 19 spare games you would assume we would pick up at least a couple of draws, taking us to a minimum of 38. How many times in the last 15 years has 38 points not been enough?
3. See point 2.
- Jun 20, 2021
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Interesting to see that last season we had scored 2 more goals after 19 games, but conceded 7 more
So the main difference this season is being defensively better. Of course, we did change our goalkeeper just before halfway during that season
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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
- 12,083
We've only been in the bottom 3 once, after two games of our very first PL season. The draw against Watford in our third game was enough to climb out of the bottom 3 and we've never been back since.
We briefly went top when Lewis Dunk scored against Southampton in the 19-20 season before VAR ruled it out for offside against Dan Burn.
10 more draws for safety [emoji23][emoji23]
Gazwag
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It's because the have Lennon in the team, that's what is different this season
saafend_seagull
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Agree. Plus Hennessy in goal instead of Pope isn’t doing much for their cause. Pope must be worth 7-10 points a season for them.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Dyche is a dinosaur of a manager. He has done well to keep them up on his small budget, but at some point, the lack of investment and his lack of skills to adapt the way they play will be found out.
Looks like this season is it.