[News] Hither Green 'burglar' stabbing: Man, 78, arrested

[Green Cross Code Man]

Tell you what if, if, one of my family died whilst deliberately breaking into someone's home to rob it I'd never dream of putting ****ing flowers outside that house, Jesus wept.

Yep, incredibly insensitive by the robbers family. Have a memorial to him, but in their back yard, certainly not in the place he was perpetrating heinous crimes.

 

[The Rivet]

Honestly? You think the immediate reaction of a family, having the news broken to them that their son / husband / father has died, would be anger, rather than grief?

However much of a scumbag the deceased would appear to have been, surely that doesn't cancel any empathy we should feel for others grieving? Even his very young children?

Yet you'd 'love' to have been there to witness their grief? To revel in it?

You sound nice.

The not very nice people are the scum that break and enter premises. Not very nice people are those that choose to not provide for their children with solid work. Not very nice people are those that willfully prey on the old and weak. Get a grip.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Going on that link, I don't see a 'battlefield', never the less I'll ask you this - Regardless of the circumstances, how would you react to someone tearing down tributes to someone you loved had died? Do you honestly think you'd react by saying, yeah he was a bit of a wrong 'un, fill your boots?

There is absolutely no way, on God's earth, I would ever think of building a shrine, or taking flowers to the scene of the crime.

If anything, I would stay out of the way, if, for instance, one of my relatives had killed someone in a driving incident.

Cemeteries are the place for flowers not someone's street, where they were attacked. It's horrific beyond words.

 

[btnbelle]

Tell you what if, if, one of my family died whilst deliberately breaking into someone's home to rob it I'd never dream of putting ****ing flowers outside that house, Jesus wept.

This

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No they don't.

What? You're saying that every time the police ask someone what's happened, they first have to tell them that they have the right to legal advice? Nonsense.

No one said anything about free legal advice, the question was simply whether they were entitled to legal advice. If the police do not arrest you, but ask you questions, you are entitled to get legal advice before saying anything.

Further reading:
https://www.wellsburcombe.co.uk/solicitor-police-interview/

I think you may find Da Man Clay knows a lot more about the law, than you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Going on that link, I don't see a 'battlefield', never the less I'll ask you this - Regardless of the circumstances, how would you react to someone tearing down tributes to someone you loved had died? Do you honestly think you'd react by saying, yeah he was a bit of a wrong 'un, fill your boots?

Also that link doesn't show the mouthy woman screaming at the elderly neighbours.

 

[Triggaaar]

I think you may find Da Man Clay knows a lot more about the law, than you.

So? Doesn't seem to stop him making mistakes. He's saying that the police cannot ask anyone a question without first telling them that they have the right to legal advice. Obviously not true. In some contexts, sure, but not all the time.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So? Doesn't seem to stop him making mistakes. He's saying that the police cannot ask anyone a question without first telling them that they have the right to legal advice. Obviously not true. In some contexts, sure, but not all the time.

It would most certainly apply to indictable offences.

 

[carlzeiss]

The inquest has opened
http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/stabbed-burglar-was-single-gentleman-of-no-occupation/

Stabbed burglar was ‘single gentleman of no occupation’

 

[Triggaaar]

It would most certainly apply to indictable offences.

During a large investigation the police may ask many people questions. Not all of those will be suspects, and some that aren't suspects may later become suspects. They won't all be told that they can have legal advice. I assume that what the police are told, or claim they're told, can later be used in court?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

During a large investigation the police may ask many people questions. Not all of those will be suspects, and some that aren't suspects may later become suspects. They won't all be told that they can have legal advice. I assume that what the police are told, or claim they're told, can later be used in court?

Any witness has to make a statement, and sign it to say it is correct. The police will have a fairly good idea who is a suspect and who is a witness. If later they find out, the witness has lied to cover up the fact they were a suspect, they also get done for peverting the course of justice. Case in point, drink driver and passenger swap over in a car.

 

[Triggaaar]

Any witness has to make a statement, and sign it to say it is correct.

It's not as simple as that. It's not always practical for the police to get everything written down and signed, and witnesses that have given evidence may later decide they're not prepared to give a statement or say they've forgotten etc.

The police will have a fairly good idea who is a suspect and who is a witness. If later they find out, the witness has lied to cover up the fact they were a suspect, they also get done for peverting the course of justice. Case in point, drink driver and passenger swap over in a car.

When the police speak to drivers about what they've been doing, they don't always tell those drivers that they have the right to legal advice. I've been asked what speed I was doing many times, and they've never told me I can have legal advice. And I suspect if I tell them that I've been speeding, that can be used against me?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Makes me ****ing sick there's a shrine to the ****
People who left flowers should be ashamed of themselves!
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[Driver8]

Makes me ****ing sick there's a shrine to the ****
People who left flowers should be ashamed of themselves!
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They are Pikeys, they have no shame.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's not as simple as that. It's not always practical for the police to get everything written down and signed, and witnesses that have given evidence may later decide they're not prepared to give a statement or say they've forgotten etc.

When the police speak to drivers about what they've been doing, they don't always tell those drivers that they have the right to legal advice. I've been asked what speed I was doing many times, and they've never told me I can have legal advice. And I suspect if I tell them that I've been speeding, that can be used against me?

I used driving offences, as an example of where suspects can switch. Speeding is a summary offence, so you wouldn't be arrested, but sent the charge in the post.

If you are a suspect drink driver, you take a breath test, and the minute it shows up, you are cautioned ie entitled to legal advice, and under arrest.

 

[drew]

It's not as simple as that. It's not always practical for the police to get everything written down and signed, and witnesses that have given evidence may later decide they're not prepared to give a statement or say they've forgotten etc.

Then surely if a witness will not corroborate something they said in the aftermath of an incident by way of a signed statement then surely that wouldn't then be evidence that can be used in court?

When the police speak to drivers about what they've been doing, they don't always tell those drivers that they have the right to legal advice. I've been asked what speed I was doing many times, and they've never told me I can have legal advice. And I suspect if I tell them that I've been speeding, that can be used against me?

I would hazard a guess that anything you say before you are cautioned cannot be used in evidence if you, post caution, don't admit to saying it!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The not very nice people are the scum that break and enter premises. Not very nice people are those that choose to not provide for their children with solid work. Not very nice people are those that willfully prey on the old and weak. Get a grip.

I’ve a perfect ‘grip’ thanks. The deceased would seem to be a career criminal who preyed on the elderly. I’ve zero sympathy for him. It’s a huge leap from holding that view to actively revelling in the grief of his partner or his young children. That’s a pretty disgusting position to take. In my opinion.

 

[Triggaaar]

I used driving offences, as an example of where suspects can switch. Speeding is a summary offence, so you wouldn't be arrested, but sent the charge in the post.

The whole point was that if you're not arrested, you are still entitled to legal advice, but the police don't tell you that. Simple as that.

I would hazard a guess that anything you say before you are cautioned cannot be used in evidence if you, post caution, don't admit to saying it!

Really? If the police officer notes it down in their book, I'm surprised if they can't then read that out in court, even if you deny it. Happy to accept the case if someone knows.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The whole point was that if you're not arrested, you are still entitled to legal advice, but the police don't tell you that. Simple as that.

Really? If the police officer notes it down in their book, I'm surprised if they can't then read that out in court, even if you deny it. Happy to accept the case if someone knows.

Police notebooks are used in evidence.

 

[Triggaaar]

Police notebooks are used in evidence.

So if there's any danger you could be charged with something, don't say anything without legal representation. And the police won't tell you that.