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[News] Hither Green 'burglar' stabbing: Man, 78, arrested
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Lyndhurst 14
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- Jan 16, 2008
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My redneck American colleagues saying he should have had a gun - no surprise there
- Apr 5, 2014
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To clarify:
English law permits one person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.
Michael T. W. Arnheim (2004). The handbook of human rights law: an accessible approach to the issues and principles
Naturally, such a case would not reach that stage if it is deemed there is less than a 50% chance of conviction.
English law permits one person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.
Michael T. W. Arnheim (2004). The handbook of human rights law: an accessible approach to the issues and principles
Naturally, such a case would not reach that stage if it is deemed there is less than a 50% chance of conviction.
Is the US's answer to everything to arm people with guns? I find that mentality very hard to get my head around.
A genuine question for would be prosecutors/defence lawyers. How do you measure when someone defending their house, family and possessions and scared witless should stop striking out, knife or not? Do juries take into account the anger felt by the victim of the intrusion?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Anger isn't the first emotion you feel.
Shock, fear, and too gobsmacked to think are first. Anger happens about 12 hours later.
Not disagreeing, but could very much differ as to whose home was being invaded, (speaking from experience here too, a few times!)
Edit. Sorry, my circumstances were very different, as always came home to find my place robbed, rather than wake to an intruder
Weststander
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25 years ago a brother in law of an ex of mine, caught a burglar in his Shoreham flat, held him and called the Police. Whilst waiting, he connected with a further few punches on the intruder. The burglar never made a fuss. These days human rights legislation might give a different outcome.
I disagree, emotions come thick fast and instant. I'd be fing angry after about 5 secs. We have to agree to disagree.
Bob'n'weave
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Self-defence is not a good plea for this case.
" I though I was going to be killed and i'm not sure what happened next, I just felt that i was going to die" is better. As soon as you start talking about 'self defence' the law kicks in and considers your cognitive thought process. Don't go there. Heard this from OB.
" I though I was going to be killed and i'm not sure what happened next, I just felt that i was going to die" is better. As soon as you start talking about 'self defence' the law kicks in and considers your cognitive thought process. Don't go there. Heard this from OB.
Weststander
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[MENTION=14365]Thunder Bolt[/MENTION] was a victim of such a burglary, so has real experience.
Yeah and he is the only one? Just because he has a public story does not make him unique!
Agree, many people I know wouldn't have upset as their 1st emotion, anger and violence would come instantly, (not saying either is right or wrong)
um bongo molongo
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My best mate's dad (also a pensioner) nearly died a few years ago confronting burglars who attacked him with a machete. Not really been the same since.
Assuming there's nothing very odd we've not been told, it annoys me he's even been arrested. He's happily going about his life and through no fault of his own he's plunged in to this **** by these complete ****s. By all means take him in to "help with inquiries", check the facts and then let him go on to try to rebuild his life. But no way should he be being put through the additional stress of being arrested after being woken in the night by two armed ******s. This will already potentially cast a large cloud over his twilight years, without the additional worry of being arrested on suspicion of murder.
Assuming there's nothing very odd we've not been told, it annoys me he's even been arrested. He's happily going about his life and through no fault of his own he's plunged in to this **** by these complete ****s. By all means take him in to "help with inquiries", check the facts and then let him go on to try to rebuild his life. But no way should he be being put through the additional stress of being arrested after being woken in the night by two armed ******s. This will already potentially cast a large cloud over his twilight years, without the additional worry of being arrested on suspicion of murder.
Bob'n'weave
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This.
I'd be happy if he had sawn off their heads off with a rusty spoon and stuck them on spikes in the front garden. Probably be more effective as a deterrent than hugging the hoodies and arresting the victim.
Birdie Boy
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- Jun 17, 2011
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It might make a difference that he is a she..
Seems the burglars went 1-0 down away from home!
Due process has become onerous.
Let me rephrase this. For every person doing their job there are three measuring whether the poor ******* is compliant. Compliant in what? That is for a fourth group (the compliance directorate) to determine.
Lots of people will be looking into the old guy. Was he being racist? Could it be considered that he might be seen to be being racist? What about giving an honest criminal the chance to flee? These are serious matters. Serious matters for paperwork and compliance.
Let me rephrase this. For every person doing their job there are three measuring whether the poor ******* is compliant. Compliant in what? That is for a fourth group (the compliance directorate) to determine.
Lots of people will be looking into the old guy. Was he being racist? Could it be considered that he might be seen to be being racist? What about giving an honest criminal the chance to flee? These are serious matters. Serious matters for paperwork and compliance.
