Hit the poorest the hardest - is this really what people voted for?

[Billy the Fish]

The country doesn't have the money because the country doesn't tax the people who do have it.

Change that to corporations and you might have a point. That goes for the whole world.

 

[bhaexpress]

Means testing is no bad thing but make the poor more hard up and watch the crime rate climb, just like America. Of course we should means test everybody, starting with people who use SUVs to take their kids to school.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

The country doesn't have the money because the country doesn't tax the people who do have it.

Really? We are this much in debt because someone forgot to soak the rich and all we need to do is take away all their money and we can carry on spending like we have been. If that really the best the left can come up with?

 

[bhaexpress]

Personally I think these lefties have only themselves to blame. If they hadn't made such a fuss about Global Warming we'd still have chimneys that we could get their screaming brats to clean.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Really? We are this much in debt because someone forgot to soak the rich and all we need to do is take away all their money and we can carry on spending like we have been. If that really the best the left can come up with?

Seems fine in principle to me. Tax the highest earners more, not rocket science is it? Some of the toffs might have to sell one of their horses or forsake a Med holiday, tough life eh.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Seems fine in principle to me. Tax the highest earners more, not rocket science is it? Some of the toffs might have to sell one of their horses or forsake a Med holiday, tough life eh.

It's a point of view but even if I accept it I'd have to argue that taxing them before you spent it would have made more sense. I also wonder where when you've taken their money to pay for your previous spending spree you are going to find the money to carry on. Personally I'm all in favour of most things the British left are but funded sustainably and nothing I have read has convinced me that over taxation would work.

 

[ROKERITE]

Seems fine in principle to me. Tax the highest earners more, not rocket science is it? Some of the toffs might have to sell one of their horses or forsake a Med holiday, tough life eh.

Or they can leave the country, then the government won't get its hands on any of their money. The politics of envy is still alive and well I fear. You don't make the poor rich by making the rich poor, as a wise man said a long time ago.

 

[Insel affe]

Seems fine in principle to me. Tax the highest earners more, not rocket science is it? Some of the toffs might have to sell one of their horses or forsake a Med holiday, tough life eh.

How outta touch are you fella Toffs in the Med

even the working class scum like me finds the Med boring, Although you live in a mighty fine country and it looks like you had plenty of room there, from what i saw last year. Maybe we can ship out the feckless and the feral and you can support them.

Taxing the rich more is not the answer money breeds money, like scroungers breed scroungers and never the twain shall meet. Why dont people understand its all about divide and rule.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Seems fine in principle to me. Tax the highest earners more, not rocket science is it? Some of the toffs might have to sell one of their horses or forsake a Med holiday, tough life eh.

And yet again someone showing class envy and confusing class with income. A high income doesn't make you a toff anymore than being a toff provides you with a high income :US:

 

[The Cardinal]

Well it's family will just have to bite the bullet and go out and find a job won't it - a job that's right - an outmoded concept whereby you work for someone and then they give you money which you can go out and spend rather than expecting the State to pay for little Chardonnay to have the latest pair of Nike trainers.

Do bigots like you ever look at actual facts ? There are more people without work than jobs available. Vilifying working people with the usual combination of snobbery and lies does not change that.

 

[ROKERITE]

Do bigots like you ever look at actual facts ? There are more people without work than jobs available. Vilifying working people with the usual combination of snobbery and lies does not change that.

But it is quite clear that Blue n' White is not vilifying working people; he's criticising able-bodied non-working people who make no effort to find work, but expect the state to keep them.

 

[pork pie]

The country doesn't have the money because the country doesn't tax the people who do have it.

I am not sure at what level you are refering to LB. If you are suggesting "normal" people, then we are already over taxed.

If you are talking about the super rich, then you are absolutely right. I was once told that a certain arab guy who untill recently owned a big shop and owns a football club with a striker who many on here still admire, made an agreement with the Inland Revenue (as it was then) to only pay a fixed amount of tax each year regardless of his income, which whilst a significant sum, was a drop in the ocean when comparing what normal people pay in tax relative to their income. I understand that this was quite normal, and it came from a very senior person in the said shop. Obviously, I have no way of knowing if it was correct, but IF its was, your assertion looks to have (or have had in the past) some foundation.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I am not sure at what level you are refering to LB. If you are suggesting "normal" people, then we are already over taxed.

If you are talking about the super rich, then you are absolutely right. I was once told that a certain arab guy who untill recently owned a big shop and owns a football club with a striker who many on here still admire, made an agreement with the Inland Revenue (as it was then) to only pay a fixed amount of tax each year regardless of his income, which whilst a significant sum, was a drop in the ocean when comparing what normal people pay in tax relative to their income. I understand that this was quite normal, and it came from a very senior person in the said shop. Obviously, I have no way of knowing if it was correct, but IF its was, your assertion looks to have (or have had in the past) some foundation.

... and, of course, the justification for not taxing the super-rich is that they will stay in the country and keep the economy going, by spending all their money in Harrods.

Anyone see a pattern here?

 

[Tooting Gull]

... and, of course, the justification for not taxing the super-rich is that they will stay in the country and keep the economy going, by spending all their money in Harrods.

Anyone see a pattern here?

Yup. Cameron would rather destroy most of the country's safety nets, and it appears today the education system, rather than risk upsetting his millionaire mates.

 

[sten_super]

Yup. Cameron would rather destroy most of the country's safety nets, and it appears today the education system, rather than risk upsetting his millionaire mates.

I just couldn't make some of this nonsense up. The situation described by pork pie, subsequently quoted by LB and then yourself, occured under 13 years of a LABOUR government. To attempt to pin the blame for insufficient taxation of the super rich on the 4 week old coalition government is pathetic and quite patently wrong.

I have quite a lot of patience for reasoned debate from people that I don't agree with, but not so much for people spouting complete and total rubbish.

 

[pork pie]

Yup. Cameron would rather destroy most of the country's safety nets, and it appears today the education system, rather than risk upsetting his millionaire mates.

What the f*** has it to do with David Cameron?

What part of "this Country is broke and needs to cut spending" do idiots like you not understand? Why are you worried about our education system? You clearly had a very limited one yourself.

I have one son at Uni now and another to start next summer - I am the one who should be worried about it.

Hopefully, someone will decide that all of these clowns who go to Uni with limited ability, and study some meaningless subject because it is easy, can no longer be supported by the state. That would be the best way to cut the Education Budget. A lecturer friend of mone recently admitted that the current level required to get a Degree is "probably" no higher than was required to get one of the old ONC/ONDs in the 70s. All of these people at Universities, many of whom would be better off receiving vocational training, are just there to meet political targets, and serve no benefit to society as a whole.

 

[bhaexpress]

But it is quite clear that Blue n' White is not vilifying working people; he's criticising able-bodied non-working people who make no effort to find work, but expect the state to keep them.

The way his post read was that he thinks all unemployed people are lazy scroungers, maybe he should have made the distinction between those who cannot get work and the small minority that genuinely won't work.

 

[Tooting Gull]

What the f*** has it to do with David Cameron?

What part of "this Country is broke and needs to cut spending" do idiots like you not understand? Why are you worried about our education system? You clearly had a very limited one yourself.

I have one son at Uni now and another to start next summer - I am the one who should be worried about it.

Hopefully, someone will decide that all of these clowns who go to Uni with limited ability, and study some meaningless subject because it is easy, can no longer be supported by the state. That would be the best way to cut the Education Budget. A lecturer friend of mone recently admitted that the current level required to get a Degree is "probably" no higher than was required to get one of the old ONC/ONDs in the 70s. All of these people at Universities, many of whom would be better off receiving vocational training, are just there to meet political targets, and serve no benefit to society as a whole.

Sorry I'm really struggling to see how you deduced all that from one sentence referring to the Tories (David Cameron is their leader, by the way, the Prime Minister) annoucements this morning on their own higher education plans. You ask why I would be worried about the education system. Anyone who isn't worried about it is the idiot, you seem to have a very self-centred view of the issue.

Despite your bizarre rant you clearly have no idea what I think about the education system. Happily, I have posted very consistently on it for years on here, I doubt you have. Maybe it just suddenly got more important for you.

For what its worth, I think Labour's policy of pushing more and more students into university has largely been a failure, and have said so many times. And I have also said if you have potential skills as say, a very good carpenter/plumber etc, you would earn a lot more money by doing that training then being persuaded to do a media studies degree and end up being a tea-boy in a production company somewhere. And I have also said that lecturers are best placed to see the level of students coming through, and judge the relative standard of degrees being taught. And they are not impressed. Perhaps you could have ascertained what I actually thought, before inventing a load of reactionary bollocks.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I just couldn't make some of this nonsense up. The situation described by pork pie, subsequently quoted by LB and then yourself, occured under 13 years of a LABOUR government. To attempt to pin the blame for insufficient taxation of the super rich on the 4 week old coalition government is pathetic and quite patently wrong.

I have quite a lot of patience for reasoned debate from people that I don't agree with, but not so much for people spouting complete and total rubbish.

Keep up, thickies at the back. There has been a Queen's Speech, and policy announcements are being made every day.

 

[pork pie]

The way his post read was that he thinks all unemployed people are lazy scroungers, maybe he should have made the distinction between those who cannot get work and the small minority that genuinely won't work.

Unfortunatley, I think you will find that on a national basis, the problem is much bigger than the "small minority" you talk about. There are large parts of our older, more industrial cities than Brighton, and industrial towns, where the culture is now based upon scrounging from our state, and there is very little interest in getting work. Naturally, genuine people who have "paid their dues" for years, and are now experiencing problems through no fault of their own, should be helped as much as is possible.