History of Dene/Dean??

[Billy the Fish]

It's in memory of the graffiti artist prevalent in the 1990s around Brighton. You can still see his handiwrok on a few blocks of flats as you pass Preston Park by train.

He also had his name on a farmers barn right on the Surrey Sussex border up the A23/M23. FACT

Not forgetting the great piece of artwork on the cows trough that you could see from the train just after balcome viaduct. It's gone now

 

[Gwylan]

Apparently, Gwylan, the Anglo-Saxons carried out "ethnic cleansing" on the indigenous population when they came to Southern England. Place names being a very good example of telling whether there were any residual locals left after the influx of immigrants. I believe (but could be completely wrong) that Coombe is of Anglo-Saxon origin rather than the cwm in Celtic but seeing as both races share a common Aryan root it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it was common in both languages. A lot of other common words were - - numbers, words for mother/father etc.

Could be. I was only surmising of the word's origins, I'm no anglo-saxon expert.

As an aside, what I'd like to know is why the Welsh and German words for carrot so similar yet the two languages share no other words for vegetables? There's obviously a common root but why carrots? That's a question that's baffled me for ages.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'd like to know is why the Welsh and German words for carrot so similar yet the two languages share no other words for vegetables?

Have you tried Ask The Club?

 

[ROSM]

As an aside, what I'd like to know is why the Welsh and German words for carrot so similar yet the two languages share no other words for vegetables? There's obviously a common root but why carrots? That's a question that's baffled me for ages.

I blame Dick Knight!

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Apparently, Gwylan, the Anglo-Saxons carried out "ethnic cleansing" on the indigenous population when they came to Southern England.

This is certainly the traditional view that I remember being taught at school and I think is based on the writings of Gildas (Briton) and Bede (Anglo Saxon), both of whom had personal agendas. I read a book by Ken Dark a few years back about Britain at the End of the Roman Empire and he proposes, based largely on archeology, that the Romano Britons were alive and well living alongside the Anglo-Saxons for many centuries after the Romans left.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Romani ite domum!

There was a lot of 'Rape' in Olde Sussex, which seems to be a thing of the past, I assume that was linked to agriculture?

 

[Seagull's Return]

Apparently, Gwylan, the Anglo-Saxons carried out "ethnic cleansing" on the indigenous population when they came to Southern England. Place names being a very good example of telling whether there were any residual locals left after the influx of immigrants. I believe (but could be completely wrong) that Coombe is of Anglo-Saxon origin rather than the cwm in Celtic but seeing as both races share a common Aryan root it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it was common in both languages. A lot of other common words were - - numbers, words for mother/father etc.

I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but I believe that "coombe" is one of the few celtic words remaining in English (although there's a great deal of doubt about that ethnic cleansing theory), as evidenced by gaelic, welsh, cornish and breton instances. I had always believed "dean" to com from Anglo-Saxon "den" (with a long "e"): a steep-sided, wooded valley.

As you point out they were both Indo-European languages, albeit relatively distant cousins (compared to, say, English and German, or French and Italian).

(God only knows what the Welsh-German carrot connection is, though, unless it's a loan-word or a weird coincidence.)

 

[Les Biehn]

What is Breton?

 

[Seagull's Return]

Romani ite domum!

There was a lot of 'Rape' in Olde Sussex, which seems to be a thing of the past, I assume that was linked to agriculture?

Bibo ergo sum!

Secular administrative unit used by the Normans to administer "corridors" between the coast and London and probably based on an earlier Anglo-saxon model, innit.

 

[Seagull's Return]

What is Breton?

Are we talking about Mendoza here?

 

[Monkster]

What is Breton?

The Language of Brittany

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Bibo ergo sum!

Secular administrative unit used by the Normans to administer "corridors" between the coast and London and probably based on an earlier Anglo-saxon model, innit.

Well, well, well. One of my new years resolutions was to learn or do something new everyday, so that is Thursday wrapped up, thank ye.

Good bless the Normans, we don't want any of that Roman shit. We wun't be druv!

 

[Buzzer]

This is certainly the traditional view that I remember being taught at school and I think is based on the writings of Gildas (Briton) and Bede (Anglo Saxon), both of whom had personal agendas. I read a book by Ken Dark a few years back about Britain at the End of the Roman Empire and he proposes, based largely on archeology, that the Romano Britons were alive and well living alongside the Anglo-Saxons for many centuries after the Romans left.

Could be. I was only surmising of the word's origins, I'm no anglo-saxon expert.

As an aside, what I'd like to know is why the Welsh and German words for carrot so similar yet the two languages share no other words for vegetables? There's obviously a common root but why carrots? That's a question that's baffled me for ages.

...and this is why NSC is what it is. I've learnt about Anglo-Saxon and Celtic today. cheers chaps. I've lived and learnt.

 

[Buzzer]

Incidentally - if you thought Brighton had lots of Deans, just try counting the places in and around Worthing that end in ING (Anglo-Saxon for place, so I was taught).

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

A hill in anglo-saxon is dun or hurst

Yep, I heard that "Dene" is from "Dun" in anglo saxon and altered post the Norman Conquest.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Incidentally - if you thought Brighton had lots of Deans, just try counting the places in and around Worthing that end in ING (Anglo-Saxon for place, so I was taught).

The place of Sompt? The Place of Steyn? the place of Lance? I like it, I like it a lot!

 

[Marc]

The Language of Brittany

Spears has her own language?









.....TAXI!

 

[Seagull's Return]

Might be wrong, but isn't "-ing" an Anglo-Saxon/Old German suffix meaning "people of"? As in Hastings = "people of Hasta", and so on? With a kind of possessive nuance, more "(place of the) people of"? So, Steyning would be "the place where Steyn's people live", and so on.

 

[Buzzer]

Might be wrong, but isn't "-ing" an Anglo-Saxon/Old German suffix meaning "people of"? As in Hastings = "people of Hasta", and so on? With a kind of possessive nuance, more "(place of the) people of"? So, Steyning would be "the place where Steyn's people live", and so on.

Could well be. I was taught (but as shown earlier I have huge areas of ignorance in this subject) that Worthing comes from Weorth's place - so that's why I thought it meant place but your explanation also makes perfect sense.

 

[Seagull's Return]

Could well be. I was taught (but as shown earlier I have huge areas of ignorance in this subject) that Worthing comes from Weorth's place - so that's why I thought it meant place but your explanation also makes perfect sense.

I'm no expert, so I'm equally happy to defer to your reasoning - same end result, really, anyhow!