Hillsborough prosecutions

[nicko31]

Should charge the many many ticketless fans as well.....Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy.

Couldn't agree with you more.

 

[rippleman]

Whilst it is disappointing that the bent cops who allowed their statements to be altered have escaped sanction, at least those who led the cover-up are being charged. My fear was that a few bent bobbies would be made the scapegoats whilst Duckenfield would get away with it. At least the CPS is acting in the public's interest even if the OB didn't.

Hopefully it will not be long before the survivors and the families of those that died get proper justice and closure on this tragedy.

 

[rippleman]

Should charge the many many ticketless fans as well.....Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy.

I must have missed it. Would you be so kind as to point out where, in the Inquest jury's decision, any blame is attributed to the "ticketless fans" for the unlawful killing of the 96 victims.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Should charge the many many ticketless fans as well.....Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy.

There were no ticketless fans. The Coroner's inquest established that fact.

It's good that these six have been charge. I hope they are convicted.

 

[The Large One]

Should charge the many many ticketless fans as well.....Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy.

What ticketless fans?

We know you're a serial truth-denier and like to re-write history to suit your own petty agenda, but this is farcical beyond parody.

Go and live your fantasies somewhere else.

 

[The Large One]

Couldn't agree with you more.

You agree with a total lie? You're arguing with facts - and you have no evidence to back your claim up, because none has ever existed.

What a stupid thing to agree with.

 

[neilbard]

There were no ticketless fans. The Coroner's inquest established that fact.

It's good that these six have been charge. I hope they are convicted.

I agree with you on the six charged, but how on earth could the coroner establish the fact that there were no ticketless fans?

 

[nicko31]

You agree with a total lie? You're arguing with facts - and you have no evidence to back your claim up, because none has ever existed.

What a stupid thing to agree with.

Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy, FACT

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I agree with you on the six charged, but how on earth could the coroner establish the fact that there were no ticketless fans?

The number of fans that were present dead or alive coincided with the number of tickets bought. An established fact announced in a court of law.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Many scenarios contributed to this awful tragedy, FACT

Maybe so, but ticketless fans were not one of them.

 

[Albion 4ever]

I agree with you on the six charged, but how on earth could the coroner establish the fact that there were no ticketless fans?

So you have made that claim without even acknowledging that the independent report and coroner clearly stated that there were no, or very few ticketless fans present? Astounding.
I believe they spent days counting fans using cctv and other cameras to come up with this conclusion.

 

[neilbard]

The number of fans that were present dead or alive coincided with the number of tickets bought. An established fact announced in a court of law.

So the police and authorities checked every fan present is that what your telling me? Bearing in mind it was chaotic on the day in question.

 

[sir albion]

There were no ticketless fans. The Coroner's inquest established that fact.

It's good that these six have been charge. I hope they are convicted.

What rubbish.....all massive games back then had bucket loads of ticketless fans.I would guess a good 5k minimum would have gone to that match from Liverpool alone.
Guess the coroner done a super job checking the many thousands of fans one by one

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So the police and authorities checked every fan present is that what your telling me? Bearing in mind it was chaotic on the day in question.

There were turnstiles, but only seven of them with 10,000 fans trying to get through.

The Hillsborough Independent Panel (HIP) report concluded crowd congestion outside the stadium was "not caused by fans arriving late" for the kick-off. The turnstiles, it said, were "inadequate to process the crowd safely" and the rate of entry insufficient to prevent a dangerous build-up outside the ground.
What the jury said: The behaviour of Liverpool supporters did not cause or contribute to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles.

 

[El Presidente]

I must have missed it. Would you be so kind as to point out where, in the Inquest jury's decision, any blame is attributed to the "ticketless fans" for the unlawful killing of the 96 victims.

Suspect he read it in The Sun...

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What rubbish.....all massive games back then had bucket loads of ticketless fans.I would guess a good 5k minimum would have gone to that match from Liverpool alone.
Guess the coroner done a super job checking the many thousands of fans one by one

Hmmm ..... now should I believe your idiotic guess or should I believe a highly experienced coroner ? Tough one.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What rubbish.....all massive games back then had bucket loads of ticketless fans.I would guess a good 5k minimum would have gone to that match from Liverpool alone.
Guess the coroner done a super job checking the many thousands of fans one by one

The police and the papers have done a super job on you believing their lies.

 

[mac04]

So the police and authorities checked every fan present is that what your telling me? Bearing in mind it was chaotic on the day in question.

I don't think that there was a culture of lots of fans turning up without tickets at that time. There would have been little prospect of getting in, so why bother. I would be amazed if there were many inside Hillsborough without tickets, and the fact that the inquest said that this was not the case makes me sure that there weren't.

The fact that it was overcrowded does not mean that there were lots of fans with no tickets. Only the centre pens were overcrowded, there was lots of space in the outside pens.

 

[neilbard]

There were turnstiles, but only seven of them with 10,000 fans trying to get through.

The Hillsborough Independent Panel (HIP) report concluded crowd congestion outside the stadium was "not caused by fans arriving late" for the kick-off. The turnstiles, it said, were "inadequate to process the crowd safely" and the rate of entry insufficient to prevent a dangerous build-up outside the ground.
What the jury said: The behaviour of Liverpool supporters did not cause or contribute to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles.

Have I disputed this? All I'm saying is that there is no way the authorities would have had a clue if some fans had arrived ticketless, it was chaos.

 

[nicko31]

So you have made that claim without even acknowledging that the independent report and coroner clearly stated that there were no, or very few ticketless fans present? Astounding.
I believe they spent days counting fans using cctv and other cameras to come up with this conclusion.

This was long before the era of HD and high level video analytics, very hard to prove numbers from that