[Football] Hillsborough - more police escape justice

[herecomesaregular]

Refer me to whatever you want, it doesn't make it right.

Have to wonder how old you are and whether you have actually read anything in depth about the disaster. You seem pretty ignorant.

 

[LennyTee]

You said they aren't blameless, what did you mean by that then? They were part of the disaster because it was a human crush - they contributed to it because they were there.

As for the stadium not changing other than signage - all seater, pitchside barriers removed, various other changes over the years. Bit stupid to say it hasn't changed.

Well as the discussion was about fan behaviour outside the stadium, nothing really has changed.

 

[LennyTee]

Ticketless fans implies too many people, which was a possibility at Brixton - we don't know yet.

However as even the original H&S Executive inquiry counted every single person entering the stadium on the CCTV - the "ticketless fans" theory has always been gold plated bullshit and only repeated by the ignorant and the lying.

The ticket less fans was mentioned in the report that someone linked to earlier. Nowt to do with me.

 

[LennyTee]

Have to wonder how old you are and whether you have actually read anything in depth about the disaster. You seem pretty ignorant.

What's my age got to do with it. I'm ignorant, you seem to think you are superior, so jog on.

 

[clapham_gull]

"Nowt", "nothing to do with me", "jog on".

I see now.

 

[LennyTee]

"Nowt", "nothing to do with me", "jog on".

I see now.

What do you see? Don't be shy.

 

[Flagship]

It is incontrovertible that there were lots of things happen and many people involved in the tragedy that happened at Hillsborough. However it is inconceivable that some fans shouldn't have had something to do with the terrible outcome. I don't remember reading anything from any fan who admitted to pushing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

... was because security guards sold black market tickets so too many people were let in .... by said security guards.

Incorrect. The inquest proved the number of fans in Leppings Lane equated to the number of tickets sold.
The two pens either side of the centre were sparsely filled because the fans were directed to the tunnel. It was in the tunnel, many fans died.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It is incontrovertible that there were lots of things happen and many people involved in the tragedy that happened at Hillsborough. However it is inconceivable that some fans shouldn't have had something to do with the terrible outcome. I don't remember reading anything from any fan who admitted to pushing.

They died. They suffocated like the people who died in the Tube station during the war, and 153 people in an alley in Seoul.
The fans were not to blame. They were trapped.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Incorrect. The inquest proved the number of fans in Leppings Lane equated to the number of tickets sold.
The two pens either side of the centre were sparsely filled because the fans were directed to the tunnel. It was in the tunnel, many fans died.

I was commenting on the OPs incorrect comparison with Brixton.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I was commenting on the OPs incorrect comparison with Brixton.

My apologies, I misread it.

 

[Flagship]

Incorrect. The inquest proved the number of fans in Leppings Lane equated to the number of tickets sold.
The two pens either side of the centre were sparsely filled because the fans were directed to the tunnel. It was in the tunnel, many fans died.

That too is incorrect I believe.
My understanding is that fans went into the tunnel because there was no-one to direct the fans towards the side pens.

 

[Flagship]

They died. They suffocated like the people who died in the Tube station during the war, and 153 people in an alley in Seoul.
The fans were not to blame. They were trapped.

Yes some died because others were pushing. They wouldn't have died if no-one was pushing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That too is incorrect I believe.
My understanding is that fans went into the tunnel because there was no-one to direct the fans towards the side pens.

I followed the second inquest day by day and line by line. David Conn was reporting it throughout.
The verdict was unlawful killing, not accidental death.

 

[Cornwallboy]

Ticketless fans implies too many people, which was a possibility at Brixton - we don't know yet.

However as even the original H&S Executive inquiry counted every single person entering the stadium on the CCTV - the "ticketless fans" theory has always been gold plated bullshit and only repeated by the ignorant and the lying.

Is that really possible? Was the CCTV of sufficient quality that day to do so? The footage I've seen from the day looks a bit grainy to me.

 

[Flagship]

I followed the second inquest day by day and line by line. David Conn was reporting it throughout.
The verdict was unlawful killing, not accidental death.

Yes, but you said that fans were directed into the tunnel. Who did that then.?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, but you said that fans were directed into the tunnel. Who did that then.?

Stewards. That’s why the only person convicted in court, was the Hillsborough safety officer.

 

[clapham_gull]

It is incontrovertible that there were lots of things happen and many people involved in the tragedy that happened at Hillsborough. However it is inconceivable that some fans shouldn't have had something to do with the terrible outcome. I don't remember reading anything from any fan who admitted to pushing.

Because they didn't. It was the layout of the stadium internally.

How many times do you have to read the evidence ? It's astonishing. You post reads some like mad conspiracy theory.

 

[clapham_gull]

Is that really possible? Was the CCTV of sufficient quality that day to do so? The footage I've seen from the day looks a bit grainy to me.

Jesus.....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Because they didn't. It was the layout of the stadium internally.

How many times do you have to read the evidence ? It's astonishing. You post reads some like mad conspiracy theory.

Judging by posts already made, I doubt the evidence has been read once, let alone many times.