Hemed- Nowhere near Championship standard

[Finchley Seagull]

All depends on how you interpret it, football is a sport that provokes emotions, during our bad run it was incredibly frustrating. I just can't honestly see the point revisiting it, tedious to me.

Depends how you look at it. During our bad run obviously I was frustrated but there were reasons. We had a very bad injury list and we only ever dropped out of the top six for two hours before the Blackburn game and that was a lot better than I thought we would be pre season.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the thread. I think the OP and other posters on here deserve what they get and, to be honest, last season the moaners very quickly bounced threads to gloat about how they were right when they said we would struggle.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Which also reiterates what a lot of us said. When he isn't scoring, he isn't adding a lot to the team, and he relies too heavily on those around him to make him look good.

Last night was a perfect example. He got a hat trick, but in terms of what he had to do for those goals, it was minimal really, and most of our excellent attacking play came from the other forward players. BUT, he's in a rich vein of form and he is scoring goals at the moment and he took advantage of his teammates' excellent attacking play last night. He's past his phase of 1 goal in 19 (hopefully for good) and everyone is recognising his upturn.

I'm going to personally enjoy it whilst it's going well for him.

I never understood this. I think he works very hard and offers a lot more than people give him credit for e.g. clearing a couple of Fulham set pieces. Up front he puts himself about holds the ball up well. I think you're being very harsh on him, even now he's scoring.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which also reiterates what a lot of us said. When he isn't scoring, he isn't adding a lot to the team, and he relies too heavily on those around him to make him look good.

Last night was a perfect example. He got a hat trick, but in terms of what he had to do for those goals, it was minimal really, and most of our excellent attacking play came from the other forward players. BUT, he's in a rich vein of form and he is scoring goals at the moment and he took advantage of his teammates' excellent attacking play last night. He's past his phase of 1 goal in 19 (hopefully for good) and everyone is recognising his upturn.

I'm going to personally enjoy it whilst it's going well for him.

Incredibly harsh. He works very hard but all strikers need service from the midfield. That isn't the same as 'relying heavily on those around him to make him look good'.
His barren spell coincided with our wingers and full backs getting long term injuries. Now we are back to full strength, he's scoring again.
Teams can make many chances, but actually taking them is a different matter.

 

[Medwayseagull]

Not really. I didn't agree with it at the time, but the opening post was well reasoned and articulate. It wasn't "Hemed is sht, fck off to Palace" etc.

What you appear to be saying is "don't criticise our players on here or we will take the piss out of you in six months time when what you're saying can be taken out of context".

By the way, I'm saying this as a long time fan of Hemed. I just welcome differing opinions as long as they are reasonably articulated.

Surely it is not enough just to articulate - opinions should be considered, well thought out and rational. One of the biggest problems with some on this forum is the rush to make judgements about players without taking into account all the factors which play a part. The same is happening with Skalak at the moment when, despite his fantastic return on goal assists some are criticising him for things which clearly are not part of his game eg the ability to use pace to pass a defender - all players need time to adjust and we should recognise their strengths not just their weaknesses - give them a chance.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Incredibly harsh. He works very hard but all strikers need service from the midfield. That isn't the same as 'relying heavily on those around him to make him look good'.
His barren spell coincided with our wingers and full backs getting long term injuries. Now we are back to full strength, he's scoring again.
Teams can make many chances, but actually taking them is a different matter.

To add to that, according to the BBC he has six assists this season too so obviously does contribute more than just goals.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Surely it is not enough just to articulate - opinions should be considered, well thought out and rational. One of the biggest problems with some on this forum is the rush to make judgements about players without taking into account all the factors which play a part. The same is happening with Skalak at the moment when, despite his fantastic return on goal assists some are criticising him for things which clearly are not part of his game eg the ability to use pace to pass a defender - all players need time to adjust and we should recognise their strengths not just their weaknesses - give them a chance.

Agree with this. Watching Skalak last night, I was thinking given a pre season for the club to work on him and a bit more time to settle, we're going to have a brilliant player. His crossing is amazing and the rest of his play is improving.

 

[Peter Grummit]

To add to that, according to the BBC he has six assists this season too so obviously does contribute more than just goals.

That's the nuanced point in relation to the 3 strikers ahead of him in the scoring charts. They are essentially goalscorers: Tomer is an all-round striker.

PG

Depends how you look at it. During our bad run obviously I was frustrated but there were reasons. We had a very bad injury list and we only ever dropped out of the top six for two hours before the Blackburn game and that was a lot better than I thought we would be pre season.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the thread. I think the OP and other posters on here deserve what they get and, to be honest, last season the moaners very quickly bounced threads to gloat about how they were right when they said we would struggle.

 

[Rowdey]

Which also reiterates what a lot of us said. When he isn't scoring, he isn't adding a lot to the team, and he relies too heavily on those around him to make him look good.

Last night was a perfect example. He got a hat trick, but in terms of what he had to do for those goals, it was minimal really, and most of our excellent attacking play came from the other forward players. BUT, he's in a rich vein of form and he is scoring goals at the moment and he took advantage of his teammates' excellent attacking play last night. He's past his phase of 1 goal in 19 (hopefully for good) and everyone is recognising his upturn.

I'm going to personally enjoy it whilst it's going well for him.

When he was going through this run, Stockdale came out in an interview saying exactly the opposite of this, citing tracking back, edge of box clearances, pulling for the team etc

 

[Dawn Korus]

Strikers aren't just judged on goals, but I'd have offered you a player who would get you 16 goals for £1m at the beginning of the season ... Would you have gone for it?

 

[beardy gull]

Well, took three pages but we finally got to the 'scapegoat' apologist, with a 'not playing to his strengths' thrown in for good measure. Same as some were saying about the losers playing up front last season.

He might just about be Championship standard, but he's not top end of the Championship standard. Playing an anonymous big lump up front on a regular basis isn't likely to propel you into the Premier League anytime soon.

Whilst Sim may have a point about the OP I still agree a bounce is required to highlight some of the pearls of wisdom to be found on the thread. Here we have THPP implying our top scorer is a 'loser' and an 'anonymous big lump'.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Whilst Sim may have a point about the OP I still agree a bounce is required to highlight some of the pearls of wisdom to be found on the thread. Here we have THPP implying our top scorer is a 'loser' and an 'anonymous big lump'.

 

[Pevenseagull]

How many more goals has Hemed scored than Rhodes since Boro a*** f***** FFP by signing him for £9m+?

Since Feb 1st

Hemed 10
Rhodes 2

 

[Stat Brother]

The other point worth highlighting is that certain players perform better when they've got good players around them. Hemed's barren spell fell in line with our dire run of injuries and, equally importantly, a long and intense period of games which meant those that played pretty much all those games knackered. This especially applies to those players playing in the front six, including not only Hemed but also our stunning central midfield duo.

No coincidence that his upturn (and ours) comes following the signing of Knockaert and Skalak

Which reiterates what a lot of us said, when he had his dry spell. Give him the service and he will score.

It really isn't rocket science.
Bruno, Bong, March and esp Kaz were on fire and Tomer was banging in goals.
That then becomes Bruno, Ridgewell, Murphy and Van La Parra and Tomer, more often than not playing as a lone striker, can't hit a cows arse.
Bruno, Rosenior, Knockeart and any one from Skalak, Murphy and Kaz and guess what - 10 goals from 12 games.

Strikers aren't just judged on goals, but I'd have offered you a player who would get you 16 goals for £1m at the beginning of the season ... Would you have gone for it?

This I find equally perplexing.
If Tomer could do all the things he's accused of not being able to do, he wouldn't be a £1m striker playing second division football.

 

[Triggaaar]

Have to echo these sentiments, it would be pretty boring if everyone had the same opinion on a football discussion forum. Instead of provoking discussion it descends into bouncing threads and trying to one up fellow BHA fans. All a bit unnecessary imho.

But that is the point. There's provoking discussion and absolutely slating a player who, even then, was our top scorer. This was quite clearly the latter. I don't understand how people can't see the difference.

Exactly. No one is saying don't give our players any criticism, or don't state an opinion. And when many of us say our team aren't going to do well, we're half hoping the thread is bounced, as we want to be wrong.

Otherwise you're saying it's fine to slag off players, but it's not fine to slag off those that slag off players. That's dumb.

 

[Triggaaar]

What you appear to be saying is "don't criticise our players on here

Well that's not what I'm trying to say. There are lots of threads giving our players a little criticism, I just didn't see the thread title as doing that.

 

[Perkino]

Strikers aren't just judged on goals, but I'd have offered you a player who would get you 16 goals for £1m at the beginning of the season ... Would you have gone for it?

This! He has been an absolute bargain

 

[perseus]

I liked to have seen the header for real, (instead of being stuck on a railway train). On the TV it looked exceptional as he was moving away from goal and twisted his head to head it in to the top corner with power.

 

[Diego Napier]

Which also reiterates what a lot of us said. When he isn't scoring, he isn't adding a lot to the team, and he relies too heavily on those around him to make him look good.

Last night was a perfect example. He got a hat trick, but in terms of what he had to do for those goals, it was minimal really, and most of our excellent attacking play came from the other forward players.

http://www.seagulls.co.uk/news/article/chris-hughton-praises-hat-trick-hero-tomer-hemed-3061633.aspx

Luckily for us, Hughton doesn't agree with what a lot of you said.

Hughton told seagulls.co.uk, "Tomer's contribution to the team has been good all season, and even in a period of time when he wasn't scoring goals, he was contributing. That is what Tomer can give you. In this division you need work rate and physicality and Tomer gives us that.

 

[JCL666]

Just thought I'd update this thread........

Gray £6m = £250k per goal
McCormack £11m = £524k per goal
Hernandez £10m = £526k per goal
Tomer £1m = £58k per goal

Not a bad investment for his first season in English football

 

[macky]

Don't forget to factor in their wages Which would be considerably more

Just thought I'd update this thread........

Gray £6m = £250k per goal
McCormack £11m = £524k per goal
Hernandez £10m = £526k per goal
Tomer £1m = £58k per goal

Not a bad investment for his first season in English football

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