[Brighton] HELP SAVE THE PRINCE ALBERT!!

[jackalbion]

My pre match watering hole, cannot emphasise how important signing this is, an absolutely superb pub.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

https://www.change.org/p/sign-help-save-the-prince-albert?source_location=search

THE PRINCE ALBERT NEEDS YOUR URGENT HELP!

Our wonderful pub and amazing live music venue are under serious threat from developers. We need your help to stop this. We have seen so many brilliant venues close across the country in the last few years, please help stop us from joining this list!

There are countless reasons we believe this development should not go ahead, not only for ourselves but the wider local community. These consist of planning issues, social issues and of course the threat of permanent closure of The Albert.

We need as many signatures as we can before our committee meeting on Wednesday 1st November. This will show the councillors that the overriding feeling of the public is that this development needs to be stopped.

PLEASE SIGN AND HELP SAVE THE ALBERT!

Thank you all for taking the time to help.

Much love,

The Albert family.

SIGNED

 

[spence]

Last time I was in there before Ajax was when we played Millwall. Had a great evening watching Beerzone.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Signed and shared

 

[chimneys]

We saved the Duke of Wellington in Shoreham and we must save the Albert. It is the absolute hub of the independent music scene in Brighton. I have seen this happen in so many places in my 43 years as a poet and musician and it is disgusting: in response, over the last few years a big campaign has been launched to safeguard venues and I'm a bit puzzled in the sense that under the Agent of Change principle recently adopted by the government developers who seek to build near existing existing music venues are responsible for any soundproofing or other mitigation necessary to avoid complaints. We have this in place at the Welly. I was one of those who opposed the initial plans for developments near the Albert and was under the impression it was all sorted, so what is the issue now?

As I put above Attila:

Think this is the concern from one of the main people fighting the planning app next door due to be heard at committee on Wednesday:

“This does not remove that option to change these Class E commercial units into residential units.

Under new government planning laws the “commercial unit” owners will not need planning permission from the council to “convert” them once planning permission is granted. As I understand it, this can be done even before they start to build the commercial units.

Without a planning permission requirement there will be no need soundproof the “commercial units” nor the residential homes they become.

Due to (what I consider a loophole in) the Environment Act, any new residents will then be able make a noise complaint to the council and the council then legally bound to serve a noise abatement notices on The Prince Albert. That will result in its closure.

Let’s be honest here, the retail lease market is not in a healthy state. The location is 30 seconds from the train station. They wont be able to resist “converting” them into residential flats for London commuters (and make a killing in the process).”

 

[Peteinblack]

Signed

 

[chimneys]

When I signed last night it was at c1400 sigs. Just over 12 hours later it’s up to 4400. Brighton is speaking and the planning committee will hopefully listen!!

 

[Gordon Bennett]

As I put above Attila:

Think this is the concern from one of the main people fighting the planning app next door due to be heard at committee on Wednesday:

“This does not remove that option to change these Class E commercial units into residential units.

Under new government planning laws the “commercial unit” owners will not need planning permission from the council to “convert” them once planning permission is granted. As I understand it, this can be done even before they start to build the commercial units.

Without a planning permission requirement there will be no need soundproof the “commercial units” nor the residential homes they become.

Due to (what I consider a loophole in) the Environment Act, any new residents will then be able make a noise complaint to the council and the council then legally bound to serve a noise abatement notices on The Prince Albert. That will result in its closure.

Let’s be honest here, the retail lease market is not in a healthy state. The location is 30 seconds from the train station. They wont be able to resist “converting” them into residential flats for London commuters (and make a killing in the process).”

Reading the Planning Officer's report suggests that the Agent of Change issue has been considered and the ability to convert to residential uses without a further planning application would be removed. Looks like there would also be a condition on any planning permission requiring sound proofing.

 

[Weststander]

There should be statute giving longstanding music venues an underlying live music licence** ad infinitum. Irrespective of changes of ownership or changes in neighbouring properties. New residences next door shouldn’t end the importance of the performing arts.

Subject to the usual laws governing responsible behaviour by the licensee. If they fail and lose it through the legal system, that wouldn’t end ** as that would be attached to the property.

 

[pb21]

Anyone got a link to the BHCC planning app, will make a robust representation against. I'm aware of the specific issues (agent of change / permitted development) so will should be useful.

 

[chimneys]

Anyone got a link to the BHCC planning app, will make a robust representation against. I'm aware of the specific issues (agent of change / permitted development) so will should be useful.

Too late now as planning comments closed. Presumably the pub put that Change.Org petition out yesterday for whoever is speaking against at Committee meeting to show the depth of feeling.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

When I signed last night it was at c1400 sigs. Just over 12 hours later it’s up to 4400. Brighton is speaking and the planning committee will hopefully listen!!

Numbers just keep building. Rapidly closing in on their current target of 7,500 signatures

Please sign if you can. Lest we forget - and you probably have - the pub hosted a legendary NSC MEAT-UP twenty years ago, as recorded in NSC Gold. Worth signing for that reason alone, I'd have thought. All the grim and gory details here...

NSC Official Meet Up Thread

NSC Meet Up... Was a good crack, i won something, f*** knows what, good to see so many there

www.northstandchat.com

 

[Sirnormangall]

My pre match watering hole, cannot emphasise how important signing this is, an absolutely superb pub.

A serious issue that deserves support. But I confess to school boy sniggering at ‘watering hole’ and ‘ Prince Albert’

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

10,000 signatures now

 

[Scappa]

Singed

 

[Weststander]

10,000 signatures now

Hopefully making the developer feel deflated.

 

[Hamilton]

Signed and bounced.

 

[BBassic]

There should be statute giving longstanding music venues an underlying live music licence** ad infinitum. Irrespective of changes of ownership or changes in neighbouring properties. New residences next door shouldn’t end the importance of the performing arts.

Subject to the usual laws governing responsible behaviour by the licensee. If they fail and lose it through the legal system, that wouldn’t end ** as that would be attached to the property.

I've always thought there should be some sort of law in place that gives priority to existing venues.

Essentially if you move in near to a pub / venue / other then there has to be some extraordinary circumstances for a noise complaint to be upheld.

I once rented a place near (literally attached to) The Engine Room. I knew that going in and I was unsurprised and unaffected by it being pretty noisy Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. It was a club, it was going to be noisy. One day our neighbour, who'd moved in around the same time as us, asked us to help them get a noise complaint lodged because it was bothering them.

Told them where to go.

Idiots. Don't move somewhere you know there's going to be noise and then act like it's their fault you can't sleep easy.

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

Singed.

 

[loz]

Signed, love the place seen many bands there and have even played there with my old band a few years ago.