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[News] Hells Angels, are they still around?
- Thread starter Lenny Rider
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I think all they did was to politely point out that there should be an apostrophe in Hell's. Bit of an over reaction...
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Brightonfan1983
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I drove through* loads in Dorking around that time. I'd heard it was a global thing, with bikers flying in from the States. Maybe they had a mass picnic in the Surrey Hills topped off with a tour of the Denbies' vineyard (wine tasting included)?
*Not literally. I'm no Reginald Denny.
grubbyhands
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Well,I wouldn't f*ck about with them knowing a few of the Black Widows MCC who in turn associate with some of the southern Hells Angels chapter!Nasty ******** some of 'em.
Algernon
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Anachronistic and have no place in/on the edges of society today.
Had their heyday in the 70s where they spent most of their time chasing and being chased to and fro across the country.
Their reputation preceded them but they were pretty much harmless and nobody really ever got hurt even after they'd dished out a few cheeky slaps.
Had their heyday in the 70s where they spent most of their time chasing and being chased to and fro across the country.
Their reputation preceded them but they were pretty much harmless and nobody really ever got hurt even after they'd dished out a few cheeky slaps.
They all gather at Rykers burger bar and then “tame the Mickeys”. The Mickleham bends. Genuinely is a world famous biker’s destination.
I used to live close by and during summer that area was swarming with bikers.
jakarta
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Thought the bends were called the Dork Four back in the Rockers Era?
Some of the more 'enthusiastic' Box Hill lot have taken to Speed Trials down the A24 past Horsham, across the A272 to Billingshurst and then along the A29 to Bury Hill Cafe. Quite a few have killed themselves, especially in the last bit up Bury Hill.
Nothing to do with HA who don't go in for that sort of thing.
Wellesley
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I used to belong to a group called The Red Spider Gang in the early seventies. We were based in the tight gap between the garage and broken fence that sat just off the property of one of our most notorious members. Like our rival gang, The Mad Dogs, none of us could afford bicycles, but we always had a push along scooter to hand in case any shit went down. Also, a Iad that lived in the close opposite, not a fully affiliated member, a 'prospect' if you will, but too posh to be allowed into the inner sanctum, had a Raleigh Tomohawk on which he would scout the local vicinity and pass on important information, such as the whereabouts of our nemesis 'The Parky' or the local fruitloop ( and to us, obviously a serial child killer) Mad Des. Dangerous times. Luckily, for both sides sake, we never actually came face to face with 'The Angels'. Out of mutual respect of course.
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Was def called the Mickey’s in my time. However, these days it’s more about walking and picnics than screaming round the bends.
As you say, plenty get killed or maimed each year on the roads around there.
HA do not tame the Mickeys. Their bikes are not built for that. HA and bikers are an entirely different thing.
I wasn’t talking about HA, I thought the conversation had moved onto biking in general and Box Hill came up, an area I know well. Is that okay with you?
Fine with me, like you give a jot. Reading back the conversation had wavered somewhat, but was still essentially about the HA. But feel free to continue to make incorrect statements.
Whiteways, at the top of Bury Hill, is swarming most weekends, all types of bikers ......
You could start an argument in an empty room.
Juan Albion
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I married a biker once. A year later, I married his sister.
In Sweden biker gangs are a huge issue and this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War - has kept going "under the surface".
No Western country in the world is close to our 100+ bombings per year and a huge part of this is the war between biker gangs - Hells Angels, Bandidos, Outlaw MC:s and some new Dutch gang called "No Surrender".
As for Hells Angels, they are losing power. They are now considered the "friendly MC gang" - 50+ year old Swedish uncles who likes rock'n'roll and motorbikes. Of course they also do some shady shit but they've lost market after market. None of the big MC gangs are able to compete in the big cities anymore - the Yugoslavian mafia is too strong in central Stockholm/Gothenburg and in the Swedish suburb ghettos you need to get along with the Arabs or Albanians if you want to run a business.
In smaller cities the newer (+ Bandidos) MC gangs dominate. Go to a pub in a small sized city and you'll see that it is run or "guarded" by Bandidos or similar. They have recruited a lot of peope who are mainly criminals and sometimes dont even own a bike. Hells Angels cant compete with that so they mainly focus on... well, biking, these days. Probably as it should be, but still a bit fascinating to see this giant infamous gang being pushed around by newcomers.
No Western country in the world is close to our 100+ bombings per year and a huge part of this is the war between biker gangs - Hells Angels, Bandidos, Outlaw MC:s and some new Dutch gang called "No Surrender".
As for Hells Angels, they are losing power. They are now considered the "friendly MC gang" - 50+ year old Swedish uncles who likes rock'n'roll and motorbikes. Of course they also do some shady shit but they've lost market after market. None of the big MC gangs are able to compete in the big cities anymore - the Yugoslavian mafia is too strong in central Stockholm/Gothenburg and in the Swedish suburb ghettos you need to get along with the Arabs or Albanians if you want to run a business.
In smaller cities the newer (+ Bandidos) MC gangs dominate. Go to a pub in a small sized city and you'll see that it is run or "guarded" by Bandidos or similar. They have recruited a lot of peope who are mainly criminals and sometimes dont even own a bike. Hells Angels cant compete with that so they mainly focus on... well, biking, these days. Probably as it should be, but still a bit fascinating to see this giant infamous gang being pushed around by newcomers.
Just reading your link. It was this paragraph that highlighted that things were beginning to get a little out of hand. Is this what you referred to as "under the surface" or was that a reference to the land mines?
"Between 1994 and 1997, there were at least thirty-six break-ins at Swedish and Danish Army installations; at least sixteen Bofors anti-tank missiles, ten machine guns, around three-hundred handguns, sixty-seven fully automatic rifles, two-hundred-and-five rifles of various calibres, hundreds of hand grenades and land mines, and seventeen kilograms of explosives plus detonators were stolen. Police believe the Bandidos or their support clubs were responsible for the majority of the thefts. The Hells Angels obtained Russian- and Yugoslavian-made rocket launchers as well as surplus machine guns and rifles from Eastern Bloc countries".
What I meant was that officially there was a peace treaty after the "Great Nordic Biker War" as both clubs realised they couldnt keep shooting with rocket launchers at eachothers businesses etc without ****ing themselves over in multiple ways.
It only took a few years though before they started messing around again and the last 3-4 years we have more bombings in Sweden (100+ per year) than in any other country who is not in a war. What I meant with "under the surface" is that during the biker war in the 90's, the clubs almost bragged about it and did shit in broad daylight.
Now they do it more secretly and there is a lot of speculations about these bombings, because no one is ever caught. Since we have been injected with islamophobic paranoia since 2001, a lot of people just think "these ****ing immigrants", but when people dig deeper (we have a huge, controversial, uncensored forum in Sweden called Flashback where people dig into every single crime committed) they always find that there's MC gang members living in the apartments that get bombed.
So it remains a big problem, especially since a lot of these bombs harm people and houses.
https://i.redd.it/svrb6gx0kw231.png
Obviously hard to do anything about it though as it been going on on different levels for almost 30 years, are very dangerous to journalists, police, lawyers etc and also likely pretty intertwined with the type of international criminal forces that no national police force could deal with. Add to that that - as you quoted - these groups are sitting on a lot of military material (as well as generally being a weapon smuggler hub between east & west due to our 'neutrality' and giant borders) and its a sensitive and complicated situation.