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[Coldeanseagull]

Yep, definitely have used racist and sexist language in my own home and in private conversations with people of my generation. I also like to smoke a fag but dislike red indians.....so sioux me

 

[Seagull1989]

I dont see chink as a racist word, just an adjective or shortened down nickname for a Chinese person.

As with anything it is the context it is said in which causes offence.

 

[fat old seagull]

Absolute crap. Whether it is offensive is the sole prerogative of the person on the receiving end, so unless you are, in this case, Jewish, you can't determine whether it's offensive or not. Like it or not this is how it is seen in law so we all need to be a bit more respectful/careful than many of us used to be (and I also accept there will be those that will seek to gain maximum mileage out of it when it suits them)

Stereotyping is what we all do everyday, it is not as you suggest Illegal you are quite clearly confusing Racial Discrimination with Racial Stereotyping. The former being derogatory, whilst the latter is quite often complimentary. I'm not Jewish. I have many friends who are, none I'm sure would be upset about being described as good at business.... would that upset you?
Furthermore, if as you suggest it is the sole prerogative of a person to decide how in pity's name can YOU speak on their behalf.
Again why do you suggest you are so concerned about folk being upset ...when you describe the posters comments as 'Absolute Crap' .... NOW THAT IS DEROGATORY !

 

[Spicy]

A question - is it any different than calling an American a "yank" or a German a "Kraut", or is that ok because many of them are white?

 

[dazzer6666]

Stereotyping is what we all do everyday, it is not as you suggest Illegal you are quite clearly confusing Racial Discrimination with Racial Stereotyping. The former being derogatory, whilst the latter is quite often complimentary. I'm not Jewish. I have many friends who are, none I'm sure would be upset about being described as good at business.... would that upset you?
Furthermore, if as you suggest it is the sole prerogative of a person to decide how in pity's name can YOU speak on their behalf.
Again why do you suggest you are so concerned about folk being upset ...when you describe the posters comments as 'Absolute Crap' .... NOW THAT IS DEROGATORY !

Have a look at the reaction of the British Jews to Whelan's comments.

 

[Commander]

A question - is it any different than calling an American a "yank" or a German a "Kraut", or is that ok because many of them are white?

Who knows?

All this nonsense about people getting upset about stereotyping- the reason the stereotypes are there in the first place is because there is an element of truth in all of them. Clearly you can't generalise an entire race as of course many, many people will be completely different, but lots of Jews are very good with money, lots of Germans don't have much of a sense of humour, lots of Americans are brash and over the top, and
lots of Irish do drink a lot and lots of English are stiff arsed and prude.

Pretending that there is no truth in stereotypes is ridiculous, and suggesting that stereotyping is going to lead to another holocaust is taking one hell of a jump. All races and all people are not the same, each race or nationality do have different characteristics, and this obsession with pretending that they don't in today's world is ludicrous. And thank God they do, or it would be a pretty boring world.

As for calling a Chinaman a chink, no, I haven't, because I can't imagine what context I would say it in. "Hi chink, how are you?". That would be rude, I'm much more likely to use his name. But have I referred to a Chinaman as a chink to other people? Yes. Am I going to start another holocaust? Unlikely.

 

[dazzer6666]

Who knows?

All this nonsense about people getting upset about stereotyping- the reason the stereotypes are there in the first place is because there is an element of truth in all of them. Clearly you can't generalise an entire race as of course many, many people will be completely different, but lots of Jews are very good with money, lots of Germans don't have much of a sense of humour, lots of Americans are brash and over the top, and
lots of Irish do drink a lot and lots of English are stiff arsed and prude.

Pretending that there is no truth in stereotypes is ridiculous, and suggesting that stereotyping is going to lead to another holocaust is taking one hell of a jump. All races and all people are not the same, each race or nationality do have different characteristics, and this obsession with pretending that they don't in today's world is ludicrous. And thank God they do, or it would be a pretty boring world.

As for calling a Chinaman a chink, no, I haven't, because I can't imagine what context I would say it in. "Hi chink, how are you?". That would be rude, I'm much more likely to use his name. But have I referred to a Chinaman as a chink to other people? Yes. Am I going to start another holocaust? Unlikely.

You're right - but it's ended up in the public domain (rightly or wrongly) so people have jumped on it. If Whelan had said 'good at business' I guess it might have been a bit better than 'Jewish people chase money' which is what he actually said.

'Chink' is deemed racist as far as the Kick Racism out of football campaign is concerned so the FA don't have a choice over whether to censure it's use (Malky used it in texts I think).

 

[Commander]

You're right - but it's ended up in the public domain (rightly or wrongly) so people have jumped on it. If Whelan had said 'good at business' I guess it might have been a bit better than 'Jewish people chase money' which is what he actually said.

'Chink' is deemed racist as far as the Kick Racism out of football campaign is concerned so the FA don't have a choice over whether to censure it's use (Malky used it in texts I think).

Whelan is an idiot for saying it in the public domain. Everyone knows you can't say stuff like that in public anymore, he must have known there'd have been a huge outpouring of faux outrage. I don't really see why Mackay's private texts to another person are a big issue though.

As an aside I'd never really had much dealings with Jews before until I worked for one. He couldn't have fit the stereotype any better, the tightest person I have ever met in my life. I assume they're not all like that.

 

[dazzer6666]

I feel a bit for Whelan given his age as things have moved in so much, but he either should know better given his profile or possibly make a bit more use of his clubs PR Dept before he speaks........don't for a minute think he intentionally meant to offend anyone but he'll still get censured.

 

[hitony]

Do people get all huffy when someone calls a Frenchman a frog or a "Yank" calls us "Limeys"? No.

Pretty much this.

 

[Chicken Run]

Yes

 

[Puppet Master]

Who knows?

All this nonsense about people getting upset about stereotyping- the reason the stereotypes are there in the first place is because there is an element of truth in all of them. Clearly you can't generalise an entire race as of course many, many people will be completely different, but lots of Jews are very good with money, lots of Germans don't have much of a sense of humour, lots of Americans are brash and over the top, and
lots of Irish do drink a lot and lots of English are stiff arsed and prude.

Pretending that there is no truth in stereotypes is ridiculous, and suggesting that stereotyping is going to lead to another holocaust is taking one hell of a jump. All races and all people are not the same, each race or nationality do have different characteristics, and this obsession with pretending that they don't in today's world is ludicrous. And thank God they do, or it would be a pretty boring world.

As for calling a Chinaman a chink, no, I haven't, because I can't imagine what context I would say it in. "Hi chink, how are you?". That would be rude, I'm much more likely to use his name. But have I referred to a Chinaman as a chink to other people? Yes. Am I going to start another holocaust? Unlikely.

Well said. I wish everyone thought like this.

 

[Trigger]

6 game ban for that?...

 

[Triggaaar]

20 years ago I went out with a Chinese girl for 3 years. It's fair to say I never referred to her or any of her family as a chink.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yes, and I still go for a "Chinky" when getting a Chinese meal.

I had no idea the term was now classed as racist.

I no longer use the term for buying a Chinese but back in the day frequently did. It had no negative slant the way i was using it and i was on very friendly terms with the people running the restaurant. I accept some people use/used the word offensively but generally speaking I don't believe that was the case. We live in such an easily offended society that the wrong words can be blown up out of all proportion, usually by do gooders who actually do more harm for a cause than good. There has been a worrying erosion of free speech in the past twenty years. This is emphasised by the eminent equality campaigner Peter Tatchell, who clearly thought that over legislation regarding 'hate speech' was a step too far. Where do we draw the line, how do we define what should and shouldn't be a crime? I feel slightly sorry for Whelan, he is probably bigoted, and that i detest, but he is as Triggarr (sp.?) said elsewhere, he is a dinosaur and as such has not adapted to the modern world and it's confusing array of multicultural dos and don'ts.

 

[glasfryn]

is it OK to call a white man "honky"

or someone who is Jewish to call a gentile "goyishe"

 

[Guerrero]

I have called Chinese people "Tiddleys" on occasion.
I wouldn't use it in their company though.
I have mates called Taf,Paddy,Jock (sweaty sometimes),Scouse,Geordie,Brum.
If I want to insult someone I don't need to use where they come from.
For example.Jim Davidson is a fat,unfunny,attention seeking,talentless,Tory perv.
Easy peasy.

Has an Arsenil fan ever been arrested for calling Spurs fans Yids?

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Always 'kitchen'.

 

[Camicus]

Wow just wow! My son is half HK Chinese and if anyone called him Chink or any other "banter" type names I would punch their lights out simple as that. Oh sorry it wasn't ment to be offensive? Well you wont mind me calling you a pencil dicked micro brained know nothing racist then will you? Not being offensive its just what we call people.

The term Chinaman is described as being offensive in most modern dictionaries and studies of usage.[23] It is not, however, as offensive as chink, which is an unapologetically racist term.[24] The New Fowler's Modern English Usage considers Chinaman to have a "derogatory edge",[25] The Cambridge Guide to English Usage describes it as having "derogatory overtones",[24] and Philip Herbst's reference work The Color of Words notes that it may be "taken as patronizing".[26] This distinguishes it from similar ethnic names such as Englishman and Irishman, which are not used pejoratively.[26]

 

[BensGrandad]

When going to get a takeaway that was normal is it any worse than to say I am going for an Indian. I dont think so