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[Garage_Doors]

Well that's all right then

Yes i guess it is, The vast majority that use the word chink use is a descriptive not an insult.
When people call me fatty it because its descriptive not an insult, same thing.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

Yes !
What's happened to freedom of speech ? Non existent now . What Whelan allegedly said is what most people say a lot of the time , the Jews are money grabbing people and good for them it has made many of them successful business people . Pathetic really even to be talking about it , but again someone who hasn't got anything to do notices it and makes it headline news .

Why is it we have to be careful what we say these days ? If someone called me fat , gay or a white ******* , I wouldn't give a damn , I would say something back not take them to court .

Why are we so sensitive Why make a fuss

Rant over !

Oh you fat white gays ...always causing trouble you lot.

 

[Camicus]

No no its not. When will you get it? Just because you don't see it as a slur doesn't mean it isn't. I have explained to people here repeatedly now why it is offensive. I have also explained that there is a long history of it being used as a pejorative. I have also told you all what would happen if you called my boy a chink and you still think it is okay. If you use it you are insulting people based on their race and that is racist. People used to call people the n word as well now they don't

 

[Surrey_Albion]

No no its not. When will you get it? Just because you don't see it as a slur doesn't mean it isn't. I have explained to people here repeatedly now why it is offensive. I have also explained that there is a long history of it being used as a pejorative. I have also told you all what would happen if you called my boy a chink and you still think it is okay. If you use it you are insulting people based on their race and that is racist. People used to call people the n word as well now they don't

The N word is interesting black people seem to have "claimed back" that word and use it more and more and said it different tones or situations seems to be becoming acceptable in pop culture being said by white and black people , the n word is starting to have a different meaning. , I know some people from Pakistan that use the word paki also. Its obvious from the eay you "tell" other people how offensive words are that you have the biggest issue possible more than someone of another race would. For the record when talking about take aways I do use the word chinky but I dont tend to refer to Chinese people as chinkys

 

[Garage_Doors]

Just because you don't see it as a slur doesn't mean it isn't.

Likewise, just because you see it as a slur doesn't mean it is.

I have explained to people here repeatedly now why it is offensive.

Can you point me at it again so i can see it.

 

[Garage_Doors]

The N word is interesting black people seem to have "claimed back" that word and use it more and more and said it different tones or situations seems to be becoming acceptable in pop culture being said by white and black people , the n word is starting to have a different meaning. , I know some people from Pakistan that use the word paki also. Its obvious from the eay you "tell" other people how offensive words are that you have the biggest issue possible more than someone of another race would. For the record when talking about take aways I do use the word chinky but I dont tend to refer to Chinese people as chinkys

Interesting as you say The N word seems to have been "claimed back" I can't get my head around how the community find it heavily offensive when other races use it but include it in there own conversations with each other and not find it offensive. how does that work

 

[Camicus]

Likewise, just because you see it as a slur doesn't mean it is.



Can you point me at it again so i can see it.

You mean just because about every Chinese person on the planet sees it as a slur. Would you say it to their face? Would you say it to my sons face? No? In which case you know its out of order.

 

[Eggmundo]

Once more people have never been killed for being a pom. Our lives have never counted for less because we are Poms where as they have if you are a Chinese.

What an Incredibly blinkered outlook!

Let me get this right, you're saying British people have never been killed because of their race?

 

[Camicus]

No Im saying that people have never been killed for being a Pom where as people have been killed for being seen as lesser and as such labled as Chinks. Im proberley the least blinkered person you are likely to meet but anyway take me to task for standing up for what is right rather than having he balls to stand up and say you know what Calling people names based on there skin colour is actually racist

 

[Eggmundo]

No Im saying that people have never been killed for being a Pom where as people have been killed for being seen as lesser and as such labled as Chinks. Im proberley the least blinkered person you are likely to meet but anyway take me to task for standing up for what is right rather than having he balls to stand up and say you know what Calling people names based on there skin colour is actually racist

It's unacceptable racism.

There is a lot of acceptable racism in the world that is just as harmful. Either from where they live, physical attributes, mannerisms, hair colour etc.

It's all about intent. The English Language is incredible, let's not create such a petty world that we have to have a list of approved/non approved words. Next step Totalitarianism.

 

[Camicus]

It's unacceptable racism.

There is a lot of acceptable racism in the world that is just as harmful. Either from where they live, physical attributes, mannerisms, hair colour etc.

It's all about intent. The English Language is incredible, let's not create such a petty world that we have to have a list of approved/non approved words. Next step Totalitarianism.

It is all about intent but if you know that a word is racist then find a better way. Simple no? If I went in to work and used "Non approved" words such as the N word or P word there would be a riot. Its all about treating your fellow human beings with respect. Just because people have always done it isn't in my view a reasonable excuse. People need to take responsibility for their actions and words

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's all about intent. The English Language is incredible, let's not create such a petty world that we have to have a list of approved/non approved words. Next step Totalitarianism.

Its all about treating your fellow human beings with respect. Just because people have always done it isn't in my view a reasonable excuse. People need to take responsibility for their actions and words

I think the answer lies somewhere between these sentiments. Unfortunately therein lies the problem in that some people who never wish to be offensive nor have any shred of conscious racism in their intent will inevitably offend someone who is either on the receiving end or overhears it. [MENTION=25286]Camicus[/MENTION] is correct in that if we find that something we do or say is offensive to a group of people, we should moderate our behaviour. In regards to our speech, this is a habit that is relatively easy to moderate. Where this principle falls into a more difficult area, is where for instance the English population readily for the most part eat pork, but this behaviour is deemed wrong by Jews and Muslims. Should the English keep their pork eating habits secretive or indeed desist altogether? What we could end up with, and it's what [MENTION=347]Eggmundo[/MENTION] refers to, is some kind of Orwellian thought police which monitors our behaviour. It'd never happen, would it?

 

[Camicus]

If we go abroad fit in with local custom. When people come here they should do the same that's about personal responsibility. If we all act in a reasonable fashion then it's all good

 

[Guerrero]

Had some German friends round for drinks yesterday.
I mentioned the war once but I think I got away with it.

 

[Horses Arse]

I heard about the island monkey thing a few years ago from a mate who lives over there. Absolutely love the idea of being referred to as an island monkey for some reason, think it sums is up well. Went round chanting it in German when very pissed over there. Wouldn't appreciate being referred to as a chink if I was Chinese though.

 

[hitony]

If we go abroad fit in with local custom. When people come here they should do the same that's about personal responsibility. If we all act in a reasonable fashion then it's all good

Obviously what you say above is correct, but it's perfect world stuff, sadly, it's far from a perfect world, and as much as many will strive to make it so, it will never happen.

 

[fat old seagull]

It's all gone cuckoo, the Worlds gone daft..I hear and see more people referring to the N-word than I ever did the actual word itself. Hence I am more aware than less of any racial awareness. I think it's all a load of nonsense. I'm not in the slightest racist, I used to, as a child sing 'eeny meeny' it was never ever implied in any derogatory fashion. Is it '******' that is so derogatory? What if the person that first penned the word had called coloured folk .. 'Petal or Rosebud' would that still be as bad? Should I be Pizzed off if someone described me as 'Caucasian'? What if the word to describe us pale people had been '******' would I have been any less happy than being called a 'Caucasian'? IMO it's a WORD, it's not derogatory, as would be to call someone ugly or a monkey is it ? I'm getting on a bit and concerned the world in many ways is going backward. How strange that I daren't even smile at a kid today in case someone thinks I'm a pervert.... oh well.

 

[Danny-Boy]

I heard about the island monkey thing a few years ago from a mate who lives over there. Absolutely love the idea of being referred to as an island monkey for some reason, think it sums is up well. Went round chanting it in German when very pissed over there. Wouldn't appreciate being referred to as a chink if I was Chinese though.

I once told a certain goalkeeper to "F Off" in Dutch at Griffin Park, seemed to help as he let in a goal.. where is he now Kuipers?

 

[Danny-Boy]

It's all gone cuckoo, the Worlds gone daft..I hear and see more people referring to the N-word than I ever did the actual word itself. Hence I am more aware than less of any racial awareness. I think it's all a load of nonsense. I'm not in the slightest racist, I used to, as a child sing 'eeny meeny' it was never ever implied in any derogatory fashion. Is it '******' that is so derogatory? What if the person that first penned the word had called coloured folk .. 'Petal or Rosebud' would that still be as bad? Should I be Pizzed off if someone described me as 'Caucasian'? What if the word to describe us pale people had been '******' would I have been any less happy than being called a 'Caucasian'? IMO it's a WORD, it's not derogatory, as would be to call someone ugly or a monkey is it ? I'm getting on a bit and concerned the world in many ways is going backward. How strange that I daren't even smile at a kid today in case someone thinks I'm a pervert.... oh well.

Someone in the USA whose surname was "GAY" got fed up with being insulted and shot at least one homosexual dead. Don't know anyone whose given names include the "N" word other than the dog in "The Dambusters"...

 

[Camicus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30538929

Worth a read. Prehaps then people might actually see the point