Hastily arranged deal

[HantsSeagull]

The main rumour was BZ signing imminently on the 1st July and a few days after Naylor said it was speculation yawn which at the time it was. There was also something written on NSC saying that he wanted two years but the club was only offering one. Another mention on here claimed was that he failed his medical.



I would have thought that if it was near a dead cert BZ would have been training with us, on trial, like CMS did with Luton before he signed for them. I don't see any advantage in leaving it this late.

other than the 60/70/80k (take your pick) per week that QPR had (apparently) to pay him in July because he hadn't signed for anyone.

Actually I see I have missed the point......not for the first time. Carry on......

 

[HantsSeagull]

Actually I see I have missed the point......not for the first time. Carry on......

My point was that CMS was still picking up his wages from us whilst training with Luton. He only signed for them when his wage contract was completed.

Zamora could have trained with us, without signing, and still picked up his QPR wages.

posts crossed.

 

[Munkfish]

I heard things had stalled until Fatboy slim said he would stump up the wages.

 

[Icy Gull]

I heard things had stalled until Fatboy slim stumped said he would stump up the wages.

Heard the same and all Fat Boy wanted in return was a parking space in Bennett's Field?

 

[beorhthelm]

My point was that CMS was still picking up his wages from us whilst training with Luton. He only signed for them when his wage contract was completed.

Zamora could have trained with us, without signing, and still picked up his QPR wages.

could he? maybe QPR wouldn't sanction it for whatever reason. just because we waved CMS with our best wishes, doesn't necessarily mean QPR would do the same for Zamora.

either way, fact is he signed on the first working day after his previous deal expired. seems a bit coincidence if that wasn't in discussion for some time.

 

[symyjym]

Good point, I didn't know CMS trained with Luton before joining. In that case, I perhaps wasn't so close. But the club were in contact with him, and Naylor didn't just say he hadn't signed yet did he? Someone will post his quotes (I hope).

The only thing I remember from Naylor was him saying something like" Zamora is purely speculation, nothing more, Yawn". He may have said more that I had missed but I don't think he said it's never going to happen.

Would be handy to see his exact quote and carry out the Naylor postmortem based on that.

 

[Bozza]

The only thing I remember from Naylor was him saying something like" Zamora is purely speculation, nothing more, Yawn". He may have said more that I had missed but I don't think he said it's never going to happen.

Would be handy to see his exact quote and carry out the Naylor postmortem based on that.

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[HantsSeagull]

The only thing I remember from Naylor was him saying something like" Zamora is purely speculation, nothing more, Yawn". He may have said more that I had missed but I don't think he said it's never going to happen.

Would be handy to see his exact quote and carry out the Naylor postmortem based on that.

This is quite damning:
[MENTION=14853]andy[/MENTION]NaylorArgus: Tuesday's 'Nailed It' probably won't halt the endless rumours but at least you can be assured info re: BZ is incomparably sourced. #bhafc

 

[symyjym]

could he? maybe QPR wouldn't sanction it for whatever reason. just because we waved CMS with our best wishes, doesn't necessarily mean QPR would do the same for Zamora.

either way, fact is he signed on the first working day after his previous deal expired. seems a bit coincidence if that wasn't in discussion for some time.

I don't believe that a club can prevent a player from training. From what Virgo was saying it sounded like Jones was the influence in this, not Hughton.

For all we know Hughton may have been holding out for other targets and it was always 50/50 whether he was going to join, which are speculative odds.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The only thing I remember from Naylor was him saying something like" Zamora is purely speculation, nothing more, Yawn". He may have said more that I had missed but I don't think he said it's never going to happen.

Would be handy to see his exact quote and carry out the Naylor postmortem based on that.

Argus 30th June
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/13360921.Talking_Point__Tomer_a_better_bet_for_Albion_than_Bobby/

If, approaching the end of the transfer window, Albion have landed their targets, if Zamora is still available by then and if he is prepared to come on a pay-as-you-play basis and there is still room in the budget, then and only then there might be a chance of it happening.

That is an awful lot of improbable ifs for Zamora to ever wear the blue and white stripes again.

Contrary to what you may have read or heard elsewhere Zamora is not on the target list. There has been no formal contact, no contract offer, and he has not been at the training ground for talks.

In my book that is just as well. A bit of perspective is needed.

 

[symyjym]

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Thanks,

That was at a time when all the club's efforts were focused on Hemed and AJ.

Rumour was for BZ to sign on the 1st July. At the time Naylor was right about it not being close.

What I don't understand, as I have mentioned on here, is if it was a dead cert, why was he not training with us?

 

[Triggaaar]

There's the June 21st tweet (not sure where that's hiding), then these:

"More or less all the names linked elsewhere as potential #bhafc signings are wide of the mark: BZ, Murphy, etc etc."
"BZ rumours doing the rounds again, yawn, yawn. Refer to June 21 tweet. It still stands."

@andyNaylorArgus: Tuesday's 'Nailed It' probably won't halt the endless rumours but at least you can be assured info re: BZ is incomparably sourced. #bhafc

So among other things, he said that the suggestions that he was a potential signing were wide of the mark, and that his information was incomparably sourced. It doesn't matter that is wasn't a done deal on the 1st July, he was clearly wrong. Bobby was a potential signing and he's signed.

Maybe his incomparable source is BG?

 

[KZNSeagull]

This Darren...or as you know him Bozza

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?323481-Three-things-pies-Forest-and&highlight=pies

In JUNE. Ok so he was a month out but the SCOOP was there. So its BULLSHIT to suggest it just happened.

The most impressive thing about this is that you remembered that to find this scoop, you had to search for pies!

 

[ditchy]

As usual Naylor has no idea what he is talking about.

I posted on quite a few threads back in May before the end of the season, that we had spoken to Zamora and that it would be a last minute deal. By that I presumed September 1st, not a few days before the start of the season!

Why a last minute deal .. he is released by QPR in May if he really wanted to come here earlier he could have signed , but as with many released pro,s was waiting to see what emerged . dont get me wrong the deal is good for both sides but dont kid yourself it was done in May . Bobby like any other Pro was holding out to see what was about

 

[chaileyjem]

It was news to me as well re: severance pay until i heard Virgo on Albion Roar but found a few quotes that confirm this is typical practice. How this relates to BZ i've no idea. Liam Rosenior, for example, didn't insist on hanging around at Hull City for an extra month.

My view, as with @notandynaylor is that if the club wanted to sign him all along and he was a top target, and BZ insists its want he wanted, then it would have been preferable for him to have had this tied up so he could have done a full pre-season, and commercially better too in terms of shirts etc. Sounds like the club, or at least some of the coaching team, changed their mind. Hughton "he was in our minds"

"Simon Barker, a senior executive at the PFA, said that while contracts typically expire on 30 June, players are entitled to an extra month's severance pay unless they sign for a new club by the end of July."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14399073

"Fortunately as a Football League player, you are entitled to one month severance pay when your contract finishes on the 30 June - if you haven't secured new employment - which buys a little more time."
http://www.totalfootballmag.com/features/columnists/the-ben-smith-column-that-time-of-year-again/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The main rumour was BZ signing imminently on the 1st July and a few days after Naylor said it was speculation yawn which at the time it was. There was also something written on NSC saying that he wanted two years but the club was only offering one. Another mention on here claimed was that he failed his medical.



I would have thought that if it was near a dead cert BZ would have been training with us, on trial, like CMS did with Luton before he signed for them. I don't see any advantage in leaving it this late.

For the record I didn't ever claim that Bobby had failed his medical. I said it was pure speculation on my part as to why it hadn't happened on July 1st, as I believed that he was going to sign.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The Sky TV thing someone linked to this morning seems to make it clear in interviews with the man himself, and the manager. Yes they had been talking about it, but Bobby himself made it happen because he was so keen to sign. Despite my wish that it isn't the case, it does seem clear that our supremo while not exactly luke warm about it, was not climbing over himself to make the signing. A former legend, still capable of 30 games in the premiershite, gagging to sign, probably not asking for the moon on a stick for salary, happy to be part of the squad, and with strong support from folk near at hand (e.g., Nathan), what is not for the manager to like? So I guess he said 'why not?'. And indeed, why not?

Anyway, I'm bored with all this wittering anout who knew what and when, now. I just wanna see him play!

 

[symyjym]

For the record I didn't ever claim that Bobby had failed his medical. I said it was pure speculation on my part as to why it hadn't happened on July 1st, as I believed that he was going to sign.

I couldn't remember who wrote that, but thanks for the disclaimer

 

[ROSM]

The 13 months pay in last year of contract was negotiated by the pfa and is in all players contracts. Dick Knight refers to this clause in his book

 

[Turkey]

It was news to me as well re: severance pay until i heard Virgo on Albion Roar but found a few quotes that confirm this is typical practice. How this relates to BZ i've no idea. Liam Rosenior, for example, didn't insist on hanging around at Hull City for an extra month.

My view, as with @notandynaylor is that if the club wanted to sign him all along and he was a top target, and BZ insists its want he wanted, then it would have been preferable for him to have had this tied up so he could have done a full pre-season, and commercially better too in terms of shirts etc. Sounds like the club, or at least some of the coaching team, changed their mind. Hughton "he was in our minds"

"Simon Barker, a senior executive at the PFA, said that while contracts typically expire on 30 June, players are entitled to an extra month's severance pay unless they sign for a new club by the end of July."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14399073

"Fortunately as a Football League player, you are entitled to one month severance pay when your contract finishes on the 30 June - if you haven't secured new employment - which buys a little more time."
http://www.totalfootballmag.com/features/columnists/the-ben-smith-column-that-time-of-year-again/

I imagine with Rosenior it wasn't as big a drop in wages. CMS to Luton would be a big drop, as would Bobby to us. Rosenior to us and McCourt to Luton you'd assume less so.

You'd have thought if the plan was to sign for us all along, he'd have been training here too, like CMS did at Luton. I did hear a rumour that he'd been in earlier this summer and sent away for some medical checks the club wanted reassurance on. Maybe something in that although I'd be more inclined to believe we had other targets which didn't come off and with the season fast approaching CH/the club decided now was the time to go for him.