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[Football] Has Graham Bitten Off More Than He Can Chew?







Weststander

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It was very obvious the players weren't very impressed.

Have to say as a group they do appear to be very close currently.
Genuinely, was it?

a) No respect for the manner of the departure …. speaking to Boehly asap, then taking the kitchen sink with him mid-season?

b) He’s non touchy-feely, not one of life’s charismatic huggers?
 


Black Rod

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He said something like that once.

He said "maybe I need a history lesson" because he thought the fans of a team, which had struggled in the past, had booed a 0-0 result against Leeds. He believed that Brighton fans after going through a very tough time for many years would have a bit more understanding that football isn't easy. He probably also thought that Brighton fans going through all of that wear and tear through the decades would be a little less snowflakey than angrily crying themselves to sleep for years over a throw-away comment after a disappointing game. But obviously he was wrong: there's some very fragile, entitled snowflakes among the supporters.
He made his "history lesson" comments because he is incredibly thin skinned and didn't like even one hundred people not thinking he was an utterly fantastic manager.

We're seeing that now with him ranting and raving in press conferences and waving around a can of drink. He's cracking under the pressure and it's only going to get worse the more Chelsea are booed off and their travelling fans - far removed from your bed wetting teenagers on the internet - sing for Thomas Tuchel.
 


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But you manage them right? That's what the best managers do. Manage the big time, big ego players.
Or do what has to be done - with the Andone and Connolly clones...... ???

Personally I don't think they are all unmanageable. Ziyesh has been a different player under Potter - almost humble. Mount, however - total dick today. They looked like they expected to lose. On the pitch that's down to them.

Potter has not publicly thrown the dicks under a bus, either. And the squad has not downed tools (like they did under Maureen II). There may be tools that need to be downed though, and I'm sure that will happen. Perhaps a mass clear out at the end of the season?

But there are a lot of expensive contracts there, and who would be queuing up to take them on, this minute. Fancy any of them at Brighton? None immediately spring to mind. That may change. We shall see.
 


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Although now March has recently spoken out saying it was effecting his game playing in multiple positions.
Really? Interesting. Well, Solly's doing better now, so happy days.

In Potter's defense.......no, actually....f*** him. He needs to earn his dinner again now, and I'll give him a virtual pat on the head once he's done so.
 




Swansman

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And yet he got a muted reaction from the majority of BHA players on the Amex pitch after the Chelsea game.
Yes, welcome to elite level football where you don't give the opposing side's manager a blowjob after the game regardless if he carried your children or saved you from burning house.
Do you reckon they did a psychological profile on Potter?
Serious question here, as you have seen a lot more of his press conferences than we all have, do you think he has developed a bit of a big head since you first got interested in him?
Impossible to know without knowing him personally. I do think he is getting a good reminder about why he thought English football culture was shit though.
 


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Genuinely, was it?

a) No respect for the manner of the departure …. speaking to Boehly asap, then taking the kitchen sink with him mid-season?

b) He’s non touchy-feely, not one of life’s charismatic huggers?
Possibly both.
 


The Fits

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Who are they going to sell and how are they going to sell them? Most of the players today apart from the one player they don't actually own looked disinterested today. So that's at least 11. Auba 12. Cucu has been slated. 13. Pulisic. 14. Sterling doesn't seem to be enjoying himself. 15. It's a big, big list to shift. And then they're literally left with two excellent but constantly injured full backs and anyone they sign this January.
The club's a mess and sadly Potter is going to be the fall guy eventually, I suspect.
 
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Justice

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He said something like that once.

He said "maybe I need a history lesson" because he thought the fans of a team, which had struggled in the past, had booed a 0-0 result against Leeds. He believed that Brighton fans after going through a very tough time for many years would have a bit more understanding that football isn't easy. He probably also thought that Brighton fans going through all of that wear and tear through the decades would be a little less snowflakey than angrily crying themselves to sleep for years over a throw-away comment after a disappointing game. But obviously he was wrong: there's some very fragile, entitled snowflakes among the supporters.
I think it was more Maupay missing when it seemed easier to score that annoyed supporters that evening. Anyhow when you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion it may be the wrong opinion in some people’s eyes but there you go footballs always been that way.
 


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It was always going to be like this. GP would take about a season and a half to shape the team and get them playing his way. It is highly unlikely that he will be given time to do that. He will almost certainly be sacked after run of bad results as the clamouring will demand it.
It will be a big decision.

Luckily for the Chelsea owners, his position hasn't been embellished, when he became manager, by the recruitment of a massive personalized and familiar team of staff, coaches, recruitment gurus, etc., on long term contracts, from his previous club, that will have to be binned off at the same time.
 


Eeyore

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The Chelsea meltdown in Twitter is a beautiful sight to behold.

Paddy Power do your thing.
 




The Fits

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Todd is the problem. If the fans liked him they'd buy into the Potter project. That's why we did. Because we trust Bloom. Todd will be the end of Chelsea as a top 4/6 team, I'm certain of it. Think Everton.
They'll be back, but it won't be under that mad yank.
Makes you so grateful for Bloom.
 




Whitechapel

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At the end of the day, football is a pantomime. You don’t just support your club, you dislike the chosen villains at any given time too. There will normally be a couple of long term targets but also a lot of smaller targets that come and go.

When I first started going it was Chesterfield and Scott McGleish. Since then it’s been dozens of different players and clubs. Southampton, Nigel Adkins, Mike Dean, Reading, Joey Barton and a whole host more I can’t currently think of.

Graham Potter is just one the current Panto villains. He’s a punchline, an easy target, the butt of the joke. But that’s it. Nobody actually hates them. Nobody is going to run up and swing for him in the middle of Churchill Square. Nobody is going to see Cucurella in La Galleria and drag him out and launch him in the River Adur.

Anybody trying to diagnose people laughing at Potter as anything for more than football fans doing what they’ve done for generations sadly misses half the point of being a football fan which is pretty sad.

I’ve said it about Cucurella and I’ll say it about Potter too. You’d have to be a sick man to find their situation funny, and I’m in critical condition :jester:
 




Eeyore

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Paddy Power are on it...

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Baldseagull

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Logical, but as we all know it's far cheaper to replace the manager than a fire sale of players with a combined value of hundreds of millions.

If it happened, that would be the ultimate backing of Potter and the program. But in reality, it's highly unlikely.

When chairmen have to pick a side in these circumstances, it's invariably the players that win out.
I honestly believe that it would be best for the club to stick with Potter and f*** off any players not wanting to play for him.
Yes, welcome to elite level football where you don't give the opposing side's manager a blowjob after the game regardless if he carried your children or saved you from burning house.

Impossible to know without knowing him personally. I do think he is getting a good reminder about why he thought English football culture was shit though.
Yeah, but he went from a club with a somewhat better culture, than the average, to the most ruthless club this century in terms of binning staff, albeit for a new owner of that club, but one that had just sacked a very competent manager.
For me, it just made a nonsense of so many of the things he had said about money, humility, patience, building, working environment etc.
 


Codner's Wallop

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I hope he fails and gets the boot.

Why? Because for me, Potter was always the embodiment of the greed that festers in professional football.

It‘s impossible to conceive he left to join Chelsea for anything but the money and this was reflected by his cold, detached view of the Albion. Even when the club stood by him in the darker spells, he never looked particularly grateful, just miserable, nonchalant.

Yes, the likes of Klopp, Pep etc also earn monstrous pay packets but they do actually seem to care about their respective clubs, their history, their fanbase.

Potter never seemed more than a narcissist, waving frantically from the shop window - I‘M A TACTICAL GOD, COME AND GET ME….
 








Swansman

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He made his "history lesson" comments because he is incredibly thin skinned and didn't like even one hundred people not thinking he was an utterly fantastic manager.

We're seeing that now with him ranting and raving in press conferences and waving around a can of drink. He's cracking under the pressure and it's only going to get worse the more Chelsea are booed off and their travelling fans - far removed from your bed wetting teenagers on the internet - sing for Thomas Tuchel.
However thin skinned he is, he will never be anywhere near as thin skinned as the likes of @A1X who has been crying for 3,5 years about three press conference comments he didn't think was utterly fantastic - "Some fans expect us to win every game", "People who criticise Dan Burn knows nothing about football" and "Maybe I need a history lesson". Some people can't take those comments: they only want to pour shit over various players and managers every day but when they get a reaction back, they get very angry and offended.

Yes, he's emotional right now. Quite clear. He's a passionate man, so of course he's angry as f*** when results aren't what they should be. I don't think RDZ, Pep, Klopp or anyone else managing at this level is any different: they all hate losing, and when they lose a lot you'll see it in press conferences and interviews as well. RDZ looked like he wanted to drive all the players to Cobham himself in his first press conference after the Charlton game.

Managers, including Graham Potter, are bad losers. All of them. If they aren't, they're dead.
 


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