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Harry defends Malky.. "He hasn't raped anyone and he is not a paedophile"
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Kaiser_Soze
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- Apr 14, 2008
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To be fair, people are forgetting something. If this is the reason he was sacked then why did Tan not bring it to the attention of the FA then? Sitting on it for nearly a year until Mackay looks to be getting a new job is wrong. For Cardiff to then suggest Richard Bevan should resign is ridiculous. If Tan was as outraged as he claims to be, he would have complained to the FA striaght away.
Weststander
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Harry yearns for the good old 1960's when you could make funny jokes in the work place about non-caucasians, or jews, or homosexuals, and only the victims would bat an eyelid.
Bevan, the pompous LMA (trade union) leader, (the same bloke who repeatedly issued one-sided propaganda on behalf of Poyet last Summer when it was an ongoing legal matter), seemingly thinks the same about these latest leaked remarks.
Just harmless banter?
Bevan, the pompous LMA (trade union) leader, (the same bloke who repeatedly issued one-sided propaganda on behalf of Poyet last Summer when it was an ongoing legal matter), seemingly thinks the same about these latest leaked remarks.
Just harmless banter?
nicko31
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Couldn't agree more. Another media storm over not much, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............
I don't believe it was the reason he was fired.
My understanding is that he was fired because of what Tan saw as overspending putting a strain on their relationship. In the aftermath of that, Tan started to investigate the transfer dealings. As a part of this investigation they got search warrants to retrieve texts and emails from Moody and Mackay's phones and computers. They found these offensive messages, and they claim they provided evidence of them to Mackay and Moody and their lawyers (and representatives of the LMA) and gave them the opportunity to contact the FA themselves.
Cardiff informed the FA of their findings last week.
Considering comments from the media seem to be putting the FA's investigation, having to to read through the thousands of tweets, may take months, I don't think the timeline is all that suspicious. He was fired last December. That means they have to make the decision to investigate, begin their investigation, get the warrant, execute the warrant, then go through all the tweets and emails, and then giving Moody and Mackay an opportunity to come clean themselves.
Not to mention, that the purpose of their investigation was into the financial dealings surrounding the transfer deals on their watch, which they will have wanted to complete as well.
And of course it won't be the club that does the investigation, it will be an outside company that might want to be thorough and make sure they take their time and fully cover everything, then charge by the hour.
Barrel of Fun
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I'm certainly guilty of edgy humour, amongst my friends and generally not work colleagues, but they overlap. I am sure 'they' could dig up some dirt on me. Not to the extent of outright bigotry and racism. Having said that, something taken out of context can seem a whole lot worse than it is on the face of it.
However, they are/were both heavily involved in recruitment and their messages are pretty outrageous. Certainly dismissable offences and they may struggle to shake off the tag.
Mind you, any sort gets employed in football, so I'm sure they will pop up somewhere. The Middle East, perhaps?
However, they are/were both heavily involved in recruitment and their messages are pretty outrageous. Certainly dismissable offences and they may struggle to shake off the tag.
Mind you, any sort gets employed in football, so I'm sure they will pop up somewhere. The Middle East, perhaps?
Paris
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As somebody on this thread mentioned earlier, Malky is a massively overrated manager. Sitting opposite Ben Shepperd and Kammy every few weeks has lifted him to elite management material. He'll probably have to consider jobs north of the border after this media frenzy.
Kaiser_Soze
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- Apr 14, 2008
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A reasonable version of events. However, the full and frank apology to the Tan family which came after Mackay ended his legal claim seems a bit over the top if he was sacked for overspending and underachieving. Also, it's incredibly convenient for their investigation to finish ooooh near as damn it the same day Palace were going to offer Mackay the managers job.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Over the past 30 years I have employed a good few hundred people across large and small companies in various industries and if anyone who worked for me sent those texts on the work phones that i provided I would have sacked them.
But it seems i'm probably holier than most
But it seems i'm probably holier than most
shaolinpunk
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Tomorrow's back page, today:
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joeinbrighton
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Did Redknapp at any point in his press conference say of Mackay that "he's not that type of player"?
It seems their investigation was finished a while back, since they provided the evidence to Mackay and Moody, according to their statement today, over three months ago. According to one of the articles I read and linked either in this thread or the 'this is why malkay didn't go to palace' the apology was made when they gave this evidence to Moody and Mackay, and the LMA have been aware of it since then. The settlement of that lawsuit was meant to include the apology and for the two of them to contact the FA about the messages.
They delivered the apology, but didn't confess.
My understanding of the time line
December 27 - Mackay Fired
Unknown time after that - Investigation starts
March something - Lawyers take phones and computer equipments
Early May - Cardiff provide Moody, Mackay, LMA lawyers with the evidence of the messages, demand a full apology, dropped lawsuits, and for M&M to contact the FA to confess
May 10 - Moody and Mackay apologises, announces lawsuit dropped.
August 14 - Word starts to leak that Pulis is leaving Palace
August 15 - Pulis going officially confirmed.
August 15 - Cardiff submit the dossier to the FA who begin their investigation. (according to an article in the telegraph "The allegations accompany claims that Mackay and Moody swapped racist, sexist and homophobic text messages and emails, which the Football Association is investigating after the details were sent to the governing body over the last six days" posted in an article yesterday) Listening to the guardian football podcast, Cardiff waited until two days before the deadline to file their dossier. I'm not sure why there is a deadline for such a thing.
August 20 - word leaked mackay not getting the palace job in the morning
August 20 - late that evening, Daily Mail posted an exclusive report on their website revealing the extent of the dossier.
Did they do it because it Malkay looked to be getting a job, or were they trying to give him as much time to come clean as possible and just getting an added enjoyment of ruining his new job chances? Or did they point the press in the direction of the investigation to expose it and cost him the job? Did they think they were doing the right thing exposing him/the investigation to give Palace a chance to avoid signing him only to lose him or worse (if their investigation shows dodgy transfer dealings)? I don't know.
I'm not trying to say Cardiff weren't being vindictive with the timing, but if they were it's a little more complex than "palace are gonna give him the job, quick let's tell everyone", since the report was supposedly filed a week before Mackay was seriously looking like getting the job.
Tomorrow's front page, today:
Looks more like a back page. #pedant
Paris
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Said Malky was a football man and a family man. He comes out with similar stuff on a regular basis. Throws in a "you know" at every opportunity.
shaolinpunk
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Indeed it is - an unforgivable error on my part
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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you could read the article and make your own view rather than follow others (who quite probably havent read it either).
the FA, or anyone, would have to be quiet on this sort of thing until it had been verified. clearly leaking on the very day it looked like Malkay was about to land a job was deliberate. one could be charitable and suggest it was to save Palace later embaressment, but i think with Tan and his relationship with the parties, that would be a second concern to simply putting the boot in.
Here's the article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...f-City-Malaysian-owner-Vincent-Tan-chink.html - We feature!
Well, there's reference to a letter from a gay watford fan claiming he felt intimidated by the homophobic chanting during a Watford/Brighton game
Over the past 30 years I have employed a good few hundred people across large and small companies in various industries and if anyone who worked for me sent those texts on the work phones that i provided I would have sacked them.
But it seems i'm probably holier than most
Exactly this. All this 'well it was only four out of a 1000 texts' is
simply bullsh*t and irrelevant.
Seriously!?
Exactly, the appropriate word is 'baps'.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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Like Sam Fox, Stumpy Tim's got his knockers.