[Albion] Gut feeling - RDZ staying or going after this season?

[macbeth]

ball is in tony’s court, completely. obviously there is a financial ceiling which the club probably won’t go above, but that doesn’t negate the fact that the recruitment to replace our two big sales last summer was poor, and there are several glaring holes in the team that simply weren’t addressed.

i think it’s silly to suggest we can’t match RDZ’s ambition at the moment. there is very much a middle ground between us going out and spending £75M on players on £200Kpw wages and replacing £150Ms worth of talent with a free transfer and someone who has been deemed two raw to start for the vast majority of the season. i think if we moved to that middle ground, RDZ would renew. it’s just a question as to whether tony wants to

 

[Affy]

I suspect this him throwing his hat in the ring to Liverpool and Bayern saying I’m here if you want me. Carefully worded so as not to commit and rule himself out but also not to burn bridges with us. Clever!
It’s no secret he is unhappy with transfer dealings, he has said in previous press conferences he wished we had signed more. This may well be the ‘plan’ he wants clarification on.

 

[Flounce]

I honestly can't believe the amount of bedwetting on here after every single press conference. I'm going to have to reduce this down to bullet points:

• If Liverpool, or Real Madrid or Bayren come calling in the summer then he'll leave. End of. We can't compete.
• There's no guarantee they will
• The summer will be unlike many other transfer windows. There will be clubs who have to sell talent, probably cut price to make sustainability / profit rules.
• We will be in a position to pick some of that talent up. We won't have to sell. But we also won't put ourselves in a position where it's us next who are up before the beak. I genuinely think TB and PBOBE are looking at Everton, Forest, Chelsea et al and GIGGLING. Staying within the limits is finally to our advantage. But we WILL stay within those limits.
• If the plan for next season that's constructed within the parameters of point four is acceptable to RDZ and point 1 hasn't happened, he'll stay. Else he'll go. He won't go mid-season and take the tea-lady with him though.
• If he goes the club will have an excellent succession plan. And, finally and most importantly.....
• RDZ says some things in press conferences to throw off opponents. He says some things in an English as a second language syntax that would be subtly different in meaning in Italian. He says other things to reinforce positions he's made internally within the club.

Anyone getting their knickers in a knot after every presser question probably needs a new hobby.

If you can’t see the Poyet similarities yet, keep your head buried in that sand, don’t diss those that see what’s probably coming, just because you can’t

Poyet started using press conferences to tout himself, De Zerbi is now doing exactly the same but just a tad more subtly. No bedwetting here, just disappointment and it’s now pissing me off.

He’d be much better off just saying discussions with TB and PB are ongoing and not laying out his conditions in press conferences, if he’s serious about staying here.

Do other clubs have managers as outspoken about “projects”?

 

[Napper]

Bored of this now . Happy for him to go rather than veiled threats

 

[Jim in the West]

Personally I can't see either Liverpool or Bayern being interested. They will both (rightly) be aiming to win their domestic leagues, at least one domestic cup, and the Champions League. All that is way beyond RdZ at the moment. Look what happened in his first big Europa League test - a naive 4-0 defeat!! Liverpool and Bayern will need someone with genuine European pedigree, who can hold their own against the likes of Pep. Surprised that Unai Emery isn't being talked about more (for the Liverpool job, at least).
I love what RdZ is doing at good ol' BHAFC....but imho he needs to do a bit more (probably not with us) before he gets one of the top jobs.

 

[Southern Scouse]

I honestly can't believe the amount of bedwetting on here after every single press conference. I'm going to have to reduce this down to bullet points:

• If Liverpool, or Real Madrid or Bayren come calling in the summer then he'll leave. End of. We can't compete.
• There's no guarantee they will
• The summer will be unlike many other transfer windows. There will be clubs who have to sell talent, probably cut price to make sustainability / profit rules.
• We will be in a position to pick some of that talent up. We won't have to sell. But we also won't put ourselves in a position where it's us next who are up before the beak. I genuinely think TB and PBOBE are looking at Everton, Forest, Chelsea et al and GIGGLING. Staying within the limits is finally to our advantage. But we WILL stay within those limits.
• If the plan for next season that's constructed within the parameters of point four is acceptable to RDZ and point 1 hasn't happened, he'll stay. Else he'll go. He won't go mid-season and take the tea-lady with him though.
• If he goes the club will have an excellent succession plan. And, finally and most importantly.....
• RDZ says some things in press conferences to throw off opponents. He says some things in an English as a second language syntax that would be subtly different in meaning in Italian. He says other things to reinforce positions he's made internally within the club.

Anyone getting their knickers in a knot after every presser question probably needs a new hobby.

Great post

 

[Southern Scouse]

That's my assessment.

Long time WS, hope your well!

 

[Southern Scouse]

I was curious from the badge

Who do Liverpool want as the next manager now Alonso is out? - that’s got to be a horrible role to go into after Klopp / FSG in charge.

Poison chalice I’m afraid, Amorim as Sporting would be an interesting choice, disappointed Xabi didn’t give it a go as he would have had backing from most Reds.

 

[Hometownglory]

I love all the confidence from people regarding the summer window. I have a feeling based on the clubs view in January, that we may only add one or two. We didn't replace key gaps left in the summer. This was leading into the biggest season in our history, we then had an opportunity to strengthen in Jan and didn't. If being in the EL knockouts, FA cup and still having a realistic chance of getting into Europe AGAIN, wasn't enough to tweak the transfer strategy as a one off, then nothing or nobody will be able to EVER. So any manager has to be on board with that.

Ps. I would love to be proved wrong regarding the summer window

 

[Exilegull]

ball is in tony’s court, completely. obviously there is a financial ceiling which the club probably won’t go above, but that doesn’t negate the fact that the recruitment to replace our two big sales last summer was poor, and there are several glaring holes in the team that simply weren’t addressed.

i think it’s silly to suggest we can’t match RDZ’s ambition at the moment. there is very much a middle ground between us going out and spending £75M on players on £200Kpw wages and replaced £150Ms worth of talent with a free transfer and someone who has been deemed two raw to start for the vast majority of the season. i think if we loved to that middle ground, RDZ would renew. it’s just a question as to whether tony wants to

I see it as the ball being in Robertos court. We are never ever going to match his ambition to sign his preferred players that he will use for five minutes before binning them and then moaning he never got a midfielder. We cant keep loaning out talented midfielders like Leonard and Alzate while signing first team players Roberto demand but wont use. He will have to grow up a bit or leave

 

[Van Cleef]

So here's the dilemma for tomorrow. Do we derail the Klop premier league push ' love in ' ? Or the papers are leading us to believe that tomorrow is the audition for the Liverpool job and would we prefer he ' fluffs' his lines badly and puts them off?

I'm hoping we can do a bit of "chip pissing" tomorrow.

Nothing against Liverpool by the way.

 

[Weststander]

Long time WS, hope your well!

Genuinely, I was thinking about you this week, wondering where’d you gone on NS. With > 800 threads on ignore, it’s easy for me to miss folk.

All good here, and you?

 

[Weststander]

Personally I can't see either Liverpool or Bayern being interested. They will both (rightly) be aiming to win their domestic leagues, at least one domestic cup, and the Champions League. All that is way beyond RdZ at the moment. Look what happened in his first big Europa League test - a naive 4-0 defeat!! Liverpool and Bayern will need someone with genuine European pedigree, who can hold their own against the likes of Pep. Surprised that Unai Emery isn't being talked about more (for the Liverpool job, at least).
I love what RdZ is doing at good ol' BHAFC....but imho he needs to do a bit more (probably not with us) before he gets one of the top jobs.

He’ll probably up one level before managing Pool, Bayern or Manure. West Ham or Leeds

 

[Justice]

I see it as the ball being in Robertos court. We are never ever going to match his ambition to sign his preferred players that he will use for five minutes before binning them and then moaning he never got a midfielder. We cant keep loaning out talented midfielders like Leonard and Alzate while signing first team players Roberto demand but wont use. He will have to grow up a bit or leave

Isn’t that a tad harsh to judge Kudus was apparently his pick and would have been a very good signing. The club don’t always get it right.

 

[Exilegull]

Isn’t that a tad harsh to judge Kudus was apparently his pick and would have been a very good signing. The club don’t always get it right.

Not seen much West ham this season and wont do it either but I dont think Kudus is playing in centre midfield? Would of been a good signing from what Ive read but think it would have been instead of Fati not Dahoud

 

[macbeth]

I see it as the ball being in Robertos court. We are never ever going to match his ambition to sign his preferred players that he will use for five minutes before binning them and then moaning he never got a midfielder. We cant keep loaning out talented midfielders like Leonard and Alzate while signing first team players Roberto demand but wont use. He will have to grow up a bit or leave

i think that’s a very revised version of what’s happened. it’s ridiculous to say we are never going to match RDZ’s ambition to sign his preferred players. had events panned out slightly differently with palmer and kudus in the summer then the narrative surrounding de zerbi’s backing would be very different. as it was, they didn’t and the recruitment in the midfield was poor.

i’m also not sure where the ‘binning them off’ part of the post comes from. the majority of our new signings have been given significant playing time. dahoud hasn’t panned out, okay, but what is roberto supposed to do in that scenario? just continue playing him because he was ‘his guy’? and as poor as the midfield recruitment was, there was nothing on paper last summer to suggest alzate and leonard would be any better. frankly i’m not sure either will ever establish themselves here, certainly i think that ship has sailed for alzate.

i wouldn’t disagree that maybe the way his grievances have been handled has been immature. i think he needs to get on with the job, and if he’s going in the summer then go quietly, because i do think it’s had an impact on morale. i just think the idea that the gap between RDZ and tony is insurmountable is far from true

 

[Springal]

Yeah, it's really unsettling having a manager who is working on a non-contract basis.

Hang on.....

‘Hi, would you like some more money and a longer contract Roberto?’

‘No thank you, I’m not convinced of your ambition or the plan Tony’

‘…..’

 

[Justice]

Not seen much West ham this season and wont do it either but I dont think Kudus is playing in centre midfield? Would of been a good signing from what Ive read but think it would have been instead of Fati not Dahoud

Dahoud was a punt a free transfer who had hardly kicked a ball for two seasons. Anyone thinking he was one of the two Mac or Moises replacements must of been daft. Along with Milner both a waste of wages and typical of us doing it on the cheap rather than properly reinvesting.
We like the selling not so much the buying.

 

[Exilegull]

i think that’s a very revised version of what’s happened. it’s ridiculous to say we are never going to match RDZ’s ambition to sign his preferred players. had events panned out slightly differently with palmer and kudus in the summer then the narrative surrounding de zerbi’s backing would be very different. as it was, they didn’t and the recruitment in the midfield was poor.

i’m also not sure where the ‘binning them off’ part of the post comes from. the majority of our new signings have been given significant playing time. dahoud hasn’t panned out, okay, but what is roberto supposed to do in that scenario? just continue playing him because he was ‘his guy’? and as poor as the midfield recruitment was, there was nothing on paper last summer to suggest alzate and leonard would be any better. frankly i’m not sure either will ever establish themselves here, certainly i think that ship has sailed for alzate.

i wouldn’t disagree that maybe the way his grievances have been handled has been immature. i think he needs to get on with the job, and if he’s going in the summer then go quietly, because i do think it’s had an impact on morale. i just think the idea that the gap between RDZ and tony is insurmountable is far from true

Yes ok I was a little annoyed writing that and maybe a tad bit harsh. But theres 19 other managers in the league who wants more and better players but we dont hear them talking about it all the time. He needs to learn to work with what he has and what he gets instead of talking about what he dont have

 

[Hiheidi]

Unlikely to be going to Liverpool apparently.