[Albion] Gut feeling - RDZ staying or going after this season?

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

As will de Zerbi's tactics against Rome, and a series of poor results against bottom of the table sides, be deemed a disgrace once he has walked out on us for a big pay day ("He never was that good, really - I thought he was sh*t all along" will probably be the new mantra of the more entitled NSCers). The sun, of course, will shine out of the new manager's arse, and no dissention will be considered acceptable, no matter how many GKs he rotates.

I don't think it's the same at all.

GPot took 2 and a half seasons to start getting results - albeit the team in season one was deep in an Ashworth transformation to a young, technical team. But that second season side should have been much better.

RDZ took a better side to Europe playing some blistering football in the process. Had he not needed about 5 games to implement his style we'd probably have got Champions League.

Should this seasons team be doing better having sold and not replaced the crown Jewels in midfield and suffered an unprecedented injury crisis on top, including losing March and Mitoma, the two catalysts for attacking success last season? Well in some games (Luton, Sheffield at home) yes, in others, i am not so sure.

Either way I think RDZ has his faults, but hasn't been backed enough to succeed this season, whatever success is - our current 8th and Europa last 16 wasn't bad. But he'll be missed unless we come up trumps with another brilliant appointment who doesn't need 3 years to hit the ground running, and has the pull to appeal to replacements we badly need in centre midfield, out wide, and for Lallana and Milner

 

[Hamilton]

This Carteret analysis is interesting but I’m more interested in how it takes into account the quality of players at a manager’s disposal. We clearly don’t have the best squad in the league and yet we’re challenging for Europe.

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However, all this points to what I have believed for a long time and that is that Liverpool and Barca will not appoint a manager that has not won something or done something amazing. Therefore, RDZ’s future appointments still very much depend on his performance metrics here and it will be Tony Bloom who decides if he is still here after the summer.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't think it's the same at all.

GPot took 2 and a half seasons to start getting results - albeit the team in season one was deep in an Ashworth transformation to a young, technical team. But that second season side should have been much better.

RDZ took a better side to Europe playing some blistering football in the process. Had he not needed about 5 games to implement his style we'd probably have got Champions League.

Should this seasons team be doing better having sold and not replaced the crown Jewels in midfield and suffered an unprecedented injury crisis on top, including losing March and Mitoma, the two catalysts for attacking success last season? Well in some games (Luton, Sheffield at home) yes, in others, i am not so sure.

Either way I think RDZ has his faults, but hasn't been backed enough to succeed this season, whatever success is - our current 8th and Europa last 16 wasn't bad. But he'll be missed unless we come up trumps with another brilliant appointment who doesn't need 3 years to hit the ground running, and has the pull to appeal to replacements we badly need in centre midfield, out wide, and for Lallana and Milner

GPot took over a side that was very nearly relegated, then hit by Covid disruption. RDZ took over a side in the top 4 having been on a run of incredible results and scoring goals for fun before he arrived.

Agree with you on this season, personally think we’ve still overachieved so far with the availability we’ve had.

 

[GrossTurn]

This Carteret analysis is interesting but I’m more interested in how it takes into account the quality of players at a manager’s disposal. We clearly don’t have the best squad in the league and yet we’re challenging for Europe.

Next Liverpool manager: Ranking Ruben Amorim, Thomas Tuchel, Roberto de Zerbi and more

A leading football analytics company looks at which manager the stats say should be the next Liverpool boss, as Xabi Alonso drops out of the running.

www.bbc.co.uk

However, all this points to what I have believed for a long time and that is that Liverpool and Barca will not appoint a manager that has not won something or done something amazing. Therefore, RDZ’s future appointments still very much depend on his performance metrics here and it will be Tony Bloom who decides if he is still here after the summer.

My most surprising takeaway from this is that Ange Postecoglu is 58 years old, I thought he was a fair bit younger for some reason. It shouldn’t be the case of course but that puts him in a slightly different light for me now as a prospective long term appointment for one of the European elite.

 

[TomandJerry]

Liverpool will have a keen interest since Alonso is staying at Leverkusen

 

[Stat Brother]

Liverpool will have a keen interest since Alonso is staying at Leverkusen

Liverpool now know they have to pay more money to get Alonso.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

GPot took over a side that was very nearly relegated, then hit by Covid disruption. RDZ took over a side in the top 4 having been on a run of incredible results and scoring goals for fun before he arrived.

Agree with you on this season, personally think we’ve still overachieved so far with the availability we’ve had.

Not disagreeing with you, RDZ inherited a great squad. But in the first 6 games under GPot we'd beaten two sides who'd go on to he relegated, lost at at Fulham, and got an impressive win at Old Trafford and drawn at home to Newcastle. Think the fact we were 4th and just thumped Leicester slightly skewed things and clouded Todd Boehly's vision of how good he actually was

 

[TomandJerry]

Liverpool now know they have to pay more money to get Alonso.

I'm pretty sure he'll stay:

Alonso said he had informed Leverkusen's directors of his decision to stay at the club last week.

"We have had a lot of speculation regarding my future," he said. "Until now we have had so many games, been pretty busy and focused, and I wanted to reflect during the international break and take a decision.

"The players gave me so many reasons to keep believing in the team - for their commitment, for their desire, for their hunger to have a great season. My job is not over here."

 

[Bold Seagull]

Not disagreeing with you, RDZ inherited a great squad. But in the first 6 games under GPot we'd beaten two sides who'd go on to he relegated, lost at at Fulham, and got an impressive win at Old Trafford and drawn at home to Newcastle. Think the fact we were 4th and just thumped Leicester slightly skewed things and clouded Todd Boehly's vision of how good he actually was

We’d been amazing for the last 15 or so games of the previous season too. And you can’t really say ‘it was wins against 2 relegated teams’ when your own criticism of this season is we’ve been unable to beat teams likely to be relegated.

Regardless of Potter’s personality and leaving, we were flying when he left. I’m not lamenting his departure as RDZ most certainly added a bit of turbo to our play, but that turbo only benefits an engine that was already finely tuned. When Potter arrived, he barely had a working engine.

 

[Stat Brother]

I'm pretty sure he'll stay:

Alonso said he had informed Leverkusen's directors of his decision to stay at the club last week.

"We have had a lot of speculation regarding my future," he said. "Until now we have had so many games, been pretty busy and focused, and I wanted to reflect during the international break and take a decision.

"The players gave me so many reasons to keep believing in the team - for their commitment, for their desire, for their hunger to have a great season. My job is not over here."

You're probably right but I'm not discounting an 'offer nobody could refuse'.

As said earlier I'm sure even the most hard nosed cynical BL fans would have been pleased to hear that as they move into the final stages of the season, instead of:-

'of course I love England, I'd love to manage in England and I love Liverpool'

 

[Is it PotG?]

Odds?

Just under 4/1.

 

[Springal]

I'm pretty sure he'll stay:

Alonso said he had informed Leverkusen's directors of his decision to stay at the club last week.

"We have had a lot of speculation regarding my future," he said. "Until now we have had so many games, been pretty busy and focused, and I wanted to reflect during the international break and take a decision.

"The players gave me so many reasons to keep believing in the team - for their commitment, for their desire, for their hunger to have a great season. My job is not over here."

Quite refreshing to see a manager only 18 months into a job decide to stick around and try to achieve something - if you’re talented enough you’ll get future offers right ?

Potter and perhaps RDZ could learn something from that

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I can read these Latins like a book

De Bello Gallico?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Quite refreshing to see a manager only 18 months into a job decide to stick around and try to achieve something - if you’re talented enough you’ll get future offers right ?

Potter and perhaps RDZ could learn something from that

There is a big difference between taking your top flight league champions (for the first time ever) into the Champions league and, er, keeping a club that has never won anything ever in the premier league having broken into the top ten for the first time ever.

Mind you having just looked it up, Wiki says Leverkusen's stadium holds only 30,000.

If @Stat Brother is right, and Xavi is only saying what he must, right now, however....I may have to eat my words. Again.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Quite refreshing to see a manager only 18 months into a job decide to stick around and try to achieve something - if you’re talented enough you’ll get future offers right ?

Potter and perhaps RDZ could learn something from that

20 odd more months and Alonso will have matched GP’s tenure with us.

 

[GT49er]

I don't think it's the same at all.

GPot took 2 and a half seasons to start getting results - albeit the team in season one was deep in an Ashworth transformation to a young, technical team. But that second season side should have been much better.

RDZ took a better side to Europe playing some blistering football in the process. Had he not needed about 5 games to implement his style we'd probably have got Champions League.

Should this seasons team be doing better having sold and not replaced the crown Jewels in midfield and suffered an unprecedented injury crisis on top, including losing March and Mitoma, the two catalysts for attacking success last season? Well in some games (Luton, Sheffield at home) yes, in others, i am not so sure.

Either way I think RDZ has his faults, but hasn't been backed enough to succeed this season, whatever success is - our current 8th and Europa last 16 wasn't bad. But he'll be missed unless we come up trumps with another brilliant appointment who doesn't need 3 years to hit the ground running, and has the pull to appeal to replacements we badly need in centre midfield, out wide, and for Lallana and Milner

No, it's not all down to de Zerbi. Potter in two and a half years had to convert a totally defensive, backs-to-the-wall team into an attacking exciting team - and he had to do it using the tools that the recruitment team provided for him along the way ............. Locadia, Jahanbakhsh, Percy Tau and Andone for example. Eventually both the recruitment team and Potter got it right.
RDZ walked straight in to take over an excellent top ten PL team that was already playing some blistering attacking football. He's done a very good job doing that, and driven it forward - but no way is he some sort of magic man who created something out of nothing, or turned a pig's ear into a silk purse. It was no pig's ear that he had to take over to start with!
Both managers have played important parts in getting us to where we are now, not just one of them!

 

[The Fits]

I've always thought Alonso would stay at least one more season.
The way they're performing they'd be one of the faves for CL, and he'll want to prove he can win the title again and that it wasn't a fluke.
So, where does that leave our RDZ? Well tomorrow is vital. Liverpool's board will have noticed our performances against them last season. Perform tomorrow, and finish the season strongly and you'd have to think he has a good chance. Limp towards the line though and I'm not sure any of the big boys are taking a chance this summer.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Quite refreshing to see a manager only 18 months into a job decide to stick around and try to achieve something - if you’re talented enough you’ll get future offers right ?

Potter and perhaps RDZ could learn something from that

Rumour is that Real Madrid spoke with him this week.

With Ancelotti recently extending his contact until 2026, it may be that Real have promised Alonso that he is next in line.

If I were him I'd like to continue what I'd started, knowing that I've got the Madrid gig in the bag in a couple of years.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

No, it's not all down to de Zerbi. Potter in two and a half years had to convert a totally defensive, backs-to-the-wall team into an attacking exciting team - and he had to do it using the tools that the recruitment team provided for him along the way ............. Locadia, Jahanbakhsh, Percy Tau and Andone for example. Eventually both the recruitment team and Potter got it right.
RDZ walked straight in to take over an excellent top ten PL team that was already playing some blistering attacking football. He's done a very good job doing that, and driven it forward - but no way is he some sort of magic man who created something out of nothing, or turned a pig's ear into a silk purse. It was no pig's ear that he had to take over to start with!
Both managers have played important parts in getting us to where we are now, not just one of them!

I don't disagree with all of that, although at the start of last season we failed to score v Newcastle, scraped past Leeds, and couldn't break down Fulham. Blistering attacking football is a bit of a stretch based largely on us battering Leicester, and an on the beach Man U the season before. But clearly it was a good time for a new man to come in.

i just think right now we have one of the hottest prospect young coaches (not perfect, no) who 'gets' the fans, and it amazes people are so confident we'll just seamlessly find another one when it's going to be quite a tough gig with the raised expectations.

Still as long as he plays the right keeper people will be happy...

 

[Hometownglory]

GPot took over a side that was very nearly relegated, then hit by Covid disruption. RDZ took over a side in the top 4 having been on a run of incredible results and scoring goals for fun before he arrived.

Agree with you on this season, personally think we’ve still overachieved so far with the availability we’ve had.

This whole thing about Potter leaving us in the top four, we were like 5 games in and just beaten a two sides at home that would end up relegated. Think there needs to be a little perspective. RDZ took that team to whole new level.