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[TV] Greta Thunberg: A year to change the world







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Oct 8, 2003
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It`s not a case of being in cahoots with anyone , they are simply unaware ZPE exists , they are told it doesn`t and they believe it like you . There are many good examples as i said , but for a simple demonstration this is as good as any .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKfFt9aS9dc

It isn't a question of belief. There is a mass on ZPE on t'internet. There were lots of research papers, including one in Nature, going back to the early 20th century. Science thrives by theory competition....

I have invented a new drug for the heart (I really have). Getting funding to develop it is incredibly difficult. If I put on a fair isle sweater and did a talking head job while sitting on a brown leatherette sofa, I'm sure I could persuade a few people to invest, but....

I did smile when I read this, though. It explains a lot:

In 1951 Herbert Callen and Theodore Welton proved the quantum fluctuation-dissipation theorem (FDT) which was originally formulated in classical form by Nyquist (1928) as an explanation for observed Johnson noise in electric circuits. :lolol:
 


TugWilson

I gotta admit that I`m a little bit confused
Dec 8, 2020
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Dorset
It isn't a question of belief. There is a mass on ZPE on t'internet. There were lots of research papers, including one in Nature, going back to the early 20th century. Science thrives by theory competition....

I have invented a new drug for the heart (I really have). Getting funding to develop it is incredibly difficult. If I put on a fair isle sweater and did a talking head job while sitting on a brown leatherette sofa, I'm sure I could persuade a few people to invest, but....

I did smile when I read this, though. It explains a lot:

In 1951 Herbert Callen and Theodore Welton proved the quantum fluctuation-dissipation theorem (FDT) which was originally formulated in classical form by Nyquist (1928) as an explanation for observed Johnson noise in electric circuits. :lolol:

Remember who you`re dealing with here , i have several PDHs in " make it simple " . I had a quick look at FDT and am none the wiser , in fact i try and steer clear of scientists ( apologies [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] ) because i rightly or wrongly find that if they can`t quantify a theorem that fits into what knowledge we have , then it can`t exist - work - and worst of all can`t be done by anyone else ( an extraterrestrial race/s ) . I believe in UFOs and crash retrievals , i also believe we have learned a hell of a lot from them and that most of our recent progress has been in no small way down to them . There have been so many people from the American Government Armed Forces and Intelligence agencies come forward to tell of these things , it can no longer be pushed aside because joe bloggs doesn`t get it . As a wise man once said , 1500 years ago everyone knew the world was the centre of the Universe , 500 years ago everyone knew the world was flat , and 15 minutes ago you knew we were not alone !
In short we don`t got all the answers !
 


Jeremiah

John 14 : 6
Mar 15, 2020
2,527
Hove
I should imagine that most people are like me. I really admire Greta Thunberg and would like to help with putting the planet straight.

However, the problem comes when you try to actually do something about it. If you want to buy an electric car they are massively expensive, supermarkets and others continue to wrap most stuff in plastic , cut down air travel and try to look for alternatives and they are much more expensive or timely. Recycling looks and feels good until you see China & America etc massively polluting and in the end you think "am I really making a difference here ?" .People cannot even be bothered to put their litter in a bin on Brighton beach or the local streets.

All this kinda gets you down and you think I hope the younger generation sort it out because I'm fighting a losing battle here.

Still good on you Greta for giving it a go.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
36,019
It`s not a case of being in cahoots with anyone , they are simply unaware ZPE exists , they are told it doesn`t and they believe it like you . There are many good examples as i said , but for a simple demonstration this is as good as any .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKfFt9aS9dc

:lolol: amazing. you should get the schematics and build one yourself. he could sell the design to heater manufactures, make a fortune and cut a large amount energy emissions in one go.

why do none of these contraptions ever get out into the public domain for people across the globe? usual answer is suppression by powerful industry, could give it to India, China and others who wouldnt give a crap about that. why does no one ever do this to prove their inventions?



maybe ask this guy... he goes on to show the machine is a hoax (shame you picked his video, eh?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yZxF0AoNfM
 
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BN41Albion

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Oct 1, 2017
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I should imagine that most people are like me. I really admire Greta Thunberg and would like to help with putting the planet straight.

However, the problem comes when you try to actually do something about it. If you want to buy an electric car they are massively expensive, supermarkets and others continue to wrap most stuff in plastic , cut down air travel and try to look for alternatives and they are much more expensive or timely. Recycling looks and feels good until you see China & America etc massively polluting and in the end you think "am I really making a difference here ?" .People cannot even be bothered to put their litter in a bin on Brighton beach or the local streets.

All this kinda gets you down and you think I hope the younger generation sort it out because I'm fighting a losing battle here.

Still good on you Greta for giving it a go.

This 100%. You see brilliant local farm shops etc selling lovely looking food and goods with no plastic in sight... At 3x the cost of the supermarkets. The big supermarkets have such a hold on the food market, and it really pisses me off that they appear to be doing so little in terms of reducing packaging etc.

I agree with you - I feel that I 'do my bit', but then so often the world around me or what I see on tv makes me think what's the bloody point?

I know it's far from the only issue, but it's depressing that the UK (along with the US, not surprisingly) uses far more single use plastic than any other country. Not surprising though when you see the supermarkets here and the amount of confectionary/groceries/meal deals etc all in plastic.
 
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TugWilson

I gotta admit that I`m a little bit confused
Dec 8, 2020
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:lolol: amazing. you should get the schematics and build one yourself. he could sell the design to heater manufactures, make a fortune and cut a large amount energy emissions in one go.

why do none of these contraptions ever get out into the public domain for people across the globe? usual answer is suppression by powerful industry, could give it to India, China and others who wouldnt give a crap about that. why does no one ever do this to prove their inventions?



maybe ask this guy... he goes on to show the machine is a hoax (shame you picked his video, eh?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yZxF0AoNfM

I believe in the technology not the personnel , did it occur to you that only something real needs to be debunked ?
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,019
I believe in the technology not the personnel , did it occur to you that only something real needs to be debunked ?

did debunk anything, the chap fessed up to the hoax. im sure you have dozens of other examples and im sure if the technology works there will be schematics and technical directions to implement, they're just never produced. at this time, relevant to the issue in hand, the world is looking to find alternative power and they still dont surface.
 




Eeyore

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Not 100% sure that stating China is one of, if not the worlds largest polluters is xenophobia?..
I recycle (who doesn’t) always place my litter in the bin, use public transport to get to work,if on nights I drive a car so environmentally friendly I don’t have to pay road tax, I don’t dig up Parliament Square or smash the windows of banks and I’ve never plonked a pink yacht in the middle of Oxford Circus.
Climate chais very real, most probably advanced by the industrial revolution. I know this..the world knows this, I don’t need some self important odd bod lecturing me. If the troll really wants to impress then go to China and tell them how to do things.


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If she was MY daughter I'd be embarrassed as hell.

David Attenborough: What Greta Thunberg has done as “astonishing and admirable” in getting people to face up to the climate crisis. “She’s achieved things that many of us who have been working on it for 20-odd years have failed to achieve,”

So, who to believe ? Goldstone, Baker Lite or one of the most respected Englishmen alive.
 


The Clamp

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Remember who you`re dealing with here , i have several PDHs in " make it simple " . I had a quick look at FDT and am none the wiser , in fact i try and steer clear of scientists ( apologies [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] ) because i rightly or wrongly find that if they can`t quantify a theorem that fits into what knowledge we have , then it can`t exist - work - and worst of all can`t be done by anyone else ( an extraterrestrial race/s ) . I believe in UFOs and crash retrievals , i also believe we have learned a hell of a lot from them and that most of our recent progress has been in no small way down to them . There have been so many people from the American Government Armed Forces and Intelligence agencies come forward to tell of these things , it can no longer be pushed aside because joe bloggs doesn`t get it . As a wise man once said , 1500 years ago everyone knew the world was the centre of the Universe , 500 years ago everyone knew the world was flat , and 15 minutes ago you knew we were not alone !
In short we don`t got all the answers !

Sorry, to clarify; you have PHD’s?
 






Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
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David Attenborough: What Greta Thunberg has done as “astonishing and admirable” in getting people to face up to the climate crisis. “She’s achieved things that many of us who have been working on it for 20-odd years have failed to achieve,”

So, who to believe ? Goldstone, Baker Lite or one of the most respected Englishmen alive.

I am not denying climate change, climate change is very real and advancing on us at an alarming pace, I don’t need lecturers from anyone on the subject, I just hope that one day Ms Thunberg travels to China and lectures them. I won’t hold my breath.


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Herr Tubthumper

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I am not denying climate change, climate change is very real and advancing on us at an alarming pace, I don’t need lecturers from anyone on the subject, I just hope that one day Ms Thunberg travels to China and lectures them. I won’t hold my breath.


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She could maybe travel there on the Orient Express?

I’ll overlook your latest misspelling :wink:
 






The Clamp

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I believe in the technology not the personnel , did it occur to you that only something real needs to be debunked ?

No offence because you seem like a decent chap but the last thing the climate crisis needs is crackpot conspiracy theories. Let scientists do their job, If there is a way out of this, it lies with them.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
56,143
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Remember who you`re dealing with here , i have several PDHs in " make it simple " . I had a quick look at FDT and am none the wiser , in fact i try and steer clear of scientists ( apologies [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] ) because i rightly or wrongly find that if they can`t quantify a theorem that fits into what knowledge we have , then it can`t exist - work - and worst of all can`t be done by anyone else ( an extraterrestrial race/s ) . I believe in UFOs and crash retrievals , i also believe we have learned a hell of a lot from them and that most of our recent progress has been in no small way down to them . There have been so many people from the American Government Armed Forces and Intelligence agencies come forward to tell of these things , it can no longer be pushed aside because joe bloggs doesn`t get it . As a wise man once said , 1500 years ago everyone knew the world was the centre of the Universe , 500 years ago everyone knew the world was flat , and 15 minutes ago you knew we were not alone !
In short we don`t got all the answers !

You are [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] in disguise and I demand my £5 of premium bonds :wink:
 








TugWilson

I gotta admit that I`m a little bit confused
Dec 8, 2020
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Dorset
No offence because you seem like a decent chap but the last thing the climate crisis needs is crackpot conspiracy theories. Let scientists do their job, If there is a way out of this, it lies with them.

Much appreciated and back at you , but i genuinely believe there are technologies within black projects that are kept under wraps that would make most of our energy problems disappear overnight . The fact is the mighty dollar would collapse if they were realised , there have been several astronauts who have spoken of this including Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell . I appreciate that some on here would consider me "bonkers" but i am in good company .
 


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