Green Party Hypocrisy Unbelievable

[The Clamp]

I think "whataboutery" implies that there was some kind of subject to begin with. "Someone takes a flight somewhere" arguably doesnt count in that category.

Once you start pressing Chicken Run or asking awkward questions that he can’t answer, this is the sort of nonsense he resorts to I’m afraid .

 

[Chicken Run]

I think "whataboutery" implies that there was some kind of subject to begin with. "Someone takes a flight somewhere" arguably doesnt count in that category.

Ordinarily I agree but the country’s ONLY Green MP thought it might be better for her image to catch the train, that tells you all you need to know [emoji106]


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[Brovion]

In mitigation for this, he was worried his train was going to cancelled (some had been) and the plane was scheduled to go anyway, as it was a public flight, unlike Johnson, who used a private jet to fly from Glasgow to London for a dinner, and then back again.

Yes, I'm sure he had a valid excuse.That was my original point., A Green can do something 'unGreen' and his supporters say "Oh, well, it was no big deal, he didn't really have a choice, nothing to see here, other people are behaving way worse." And the world carries on going to hell in a handcart. (And it's interesting that for the Greens catching a scheduled flight is environmentally no big deal).

As I mentioned the three local Greens my son was working with, who all needed to be there as well, all went out of their way to travel there in ways befitting their philosophy. Why couldn't MacCafferty?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't normally disagree with you about anything. However, on this occasion....

First, if he did nothing wrong why has he apologised? At very best this change of heart is a lack of fortitude and evinces a level of self-doubt that bodes ill for any leadership aspirations (and I mean leading a small subject-specific team in opposition, not personally running the country).

Second, it is also perfectly legal to dress up as a foxhunter every weekend, ride to hounds after a dragged lure and, if a fox is encountered, invite a dog to chase it out of it's hole and shoot it, and if the fox is accidentally torn to shreds by the dogs then so be it. Perfectly legal. But you wouldn't expect the chairman of the league against cruel sports to be high on that saddle each weekend. Nor a green MP.

So, yes, it was all perfectly legal but it makes him look a fool.

He apologised because he was asked to apologise. He didn't ignore it or state he'd done nothing wrong, which seems to be the fashion at the moment.
Is it a resignation matter? I don't know, but I doubt it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

He's considered it, and apologised. Matter over.

You seem very quick to forgive him but not so quick to forgive polticians of other parties. For me I hold to account ALL politicians - no forgiveness - they should all be held accountable at the ballot box as hopefully Phelm will be.

 

[Wardy's twin]

According to who?

Not the Labour Party by the looks of things.

As a potential Labour voter I think they should

a) look to keep their own house in order
b) focus on the important issues like the state of rubbish collection & recycling which the Greens are not doing too well on
c) review their stance on building on greenfield sites (when there are enough brownfield) in Brighton and Hove

This is a non-event , there are plenty of other things they could focus on but given this I remain a non voter in Woodingdean where teh local Tory Councillors continue to do a good job.

 

[Simster]

Ordinarily I agree but the country’s ONLY Green MP thought it might be better for her image to catch the train, that tells you all you need to know [emoji106]


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You seem absolutely outraged at this bloke taking an aeroplane. So outraged, that you started a thread on it and seem to be arguing with plenty of people putting the opposite point of view.

That would be fine if you were even-handed about it. But you're not are you? Where is your post expressing outrage over Geoffrey Cox, also in the news today? Or is a green party politician taking a plane genuinely something you find absolutely outrageous compared to being paid £1 million in the last 12 months to represent clients including the British Virgin Islands (AGAINST the UK in a legal inquiry launched by the Foreign Office) while living 4,000 miles away, picking up an MP's salary and voting exclusively via Zoom?

And given the multiple instances of corruption and sleaze we've had to endure over the Conservatives - instances you've barely commented on - your hypocrisy awarding anyone a certificate of whataboutery shortly after posting this story absolutely beggars belief. How's this for whataboutery:

"Yes yes yes yes the Tories may have tried to prorogue parliament, change rules to get their mates off scott-free, award contracts to mates without tender, implement a damaging Brexit, appointing an unelected bureaucrat to do it, be responsible for thousands of deaths, multiple examples of lining their own pockets, lie about absolutely everything, not turn up to meetings, not bother with details etc etc BUT THIS GREEN TOOK A PLANE"

 

[El Presidente]

Assumed you were schooled with Hoveite now in Manchester?

Nope, both incorrect, not schooled at Newman and I live in Sussex.

 

[Swansman]

You seem very quick to forgive him but not so quick to forgive polticians of other parties. For me I hold to account ALL politicians - no forgiveness - they should all be held accountable at the ballot box as hopefully Phelm will be.

Why no forgiveness? And where are you going to find a flawless politician?

 

[The Clamp]

Ordinarily I agree but the country’s ONLY Green MP thought it might be better for her image to catch the train, that tells you all you need to know [emoji106]


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I wonder if you’ve actually read the article. It’s a male MP. You know that, right?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm not sure it is actually that difficult. We realised plastic shopping bags were creating a big issue, so adding a 5p bag tax transformed habits overnight. We tax alcohol, fuel, emissions, tobacco, sugar, flying is already taxed - no reason you cannot increase these or add a meat tax if as a society for the benefit of all we have to reduce our consumption. These are the hard decisions.

If you're worried about the divide between rich and poor, then surely you must also believe there should be more higher taxation for wealth to ensure some things can be kept affordable for the poor? I didn't really take you for a socialist, but there you go.

It's well established that the 'poor' includes a cohort that are best described as 'the ignorant' who spend more than they should on processed food, and don't spend enough time planning the shop and cooking. It is a false economy to fill the fridge and freezer with 'cheap' food, some of which may lack much nutritional value, and overbuy 'cheap' fresh produce from the supermarket, meaning that lots of food gets thrown out each week, some of it composting itself, first, in nooks at the back of the fridge.

I don't think I've had to throw out any unused food, ever, in the last 30 years and, although the items of food I buy are expensive, the way they are used means my grocery bills will undercut those of many. And even the way the kitchen is used - water boiling on '9' while someone faffs about doing something other than the cooking; huge sinks of water to wash up a few bits and bobs; and so on, wastes energy and money.

Some people may consider themselves 'poor' but they carry on like little princes and princesses distorted through the modern prism of entitlement. Are they poor in spirit, indisciplined, feckless and deluded, or simply never trained and naive? Who knows.

 

[Chicken Run]

I wonder if you’ve actually read the article. It’s a male MP. You know that, right?

So Caroline Lucas is male is she?

And he’s a Cllr [emoji2357]


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[Pevenseagull]

Stupid move by Mac Cafferty.

Absolute buffet bowling for his critics.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He apologised because he was asked to apologise. He didn't ignore it or state he'd done nothing wrong, which seems to be the fashion at the moment.
Is it a resignation matter? I don't know, but I doubt it.

That's certainly commendable. But as I said the fact no laws were broken doesn't mean it was a good look.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's well established that the 'poor' includes a cohort that are best described as 'the ignorant' who spend more than they should on processed food, and don't spend enough time planning the shop and cooking. It is a false economy to fill the fridge and freezer with 'cheap' food, some of which may lack much nutritional value, and overbuy 'cheap' fresh produce from the supermarket, meaning that lots of food gets thrown out each week, some of it composting itself, first, in nooks at the back of the fridge.

I don't think I've had to throw out any unused food, ever, in the last 30 years and, although the items of food I buy are expensive thy way they are used means my grocery bills will undercut those of many. And even the way the kitchen is used - water boiling on '9' while someone faffs about doing something other than the cooking; huge sinks of water to wash up a few bits and bobs; and so on, wastes energy and money.

Some people may consider themselves 'poor' but they carry on like little princes and princesses distorted through the modern prism of entitlement. Are they poor in spirit, indisciplined, feckless and deluded, or simply never trained and naive? Who knows.

The upward mobility of any society can be measured by the success of it's education. Not just academic, but as you say, basic life skills, financial sense, food knowledge etc. The 'ignorant' as you point it are at the hands of the society that steers them. Smoking is cool, gambling is fun, take-aways are great, supermarkets have the best deals. We have been in a race to the bottom for sometime. Unrestrained capitalism has no time for scruples when there are profits to be made.

 

[MattBackHome]

OI what's wrong with Newman.

 

[The Clamp]

So Caroline Lucas is male is she?

And he’s a Cllr [emoji2357]


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I think you’ve got yourself very confused. Lucas, a female, went by train. Phelim Mac Cafferty who is male, went by airplane.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

When your whole raison d'etre is to be, er, green, then of course your green ness will be under the microscope.

It would be the same opprobrium if an MP for an orthodox Christian party were caught coveting his neighbour's wife or having a sly pray in a mosque.

Hhm, but would it. Unless the gentleman in question was going to walk to Glasgow he would always have a green impact, its just by degrees... I'm not sure you can covet your neighbour by degrees, unless you are spying on her, I guess!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The upward mobility of any society can be measured by the success of it's education. Not just academic, but as you say, basic life skills, financial sense, food knowledge etc. The 'ignorant' as you point it are at the hands of the society that steers them. Smoking is cool, gambling is fun, take-aways are great, supermarkets have the best deals. We have been in a race to the bottom for sometime. Unrestrained capitalism has no time for scruples when there are profits to be made.

Indeed.

And yet I am more hopeful now than I have ever been. When I consider the sort of food I was given as a kid, the amount of energy wasted in the family home, and the general level of ignorance, compared with how me and my brothers live; when I look at the people on my street and how they way they carry on has changed in 30 years; when I read the news and listen to the standard of discourse on the radio: things slowly improve.

And even though I'm a Labour party member I rather like capitalism. It is tremendous for capital. It doesn't have to be aligned with a no rules, swim or sink, pay or die rubric. There is scope for rules and laws, taxes and socialist health and education, even. We have managed it before.

I think we have a particularly venal lot in charge at the moment who are drunk on how easy it is to rig the game in favour of themselves and their chums, but the noise over last week's troughing scandal may be the start of a backlash. It may not matter that Boris still has a gaggle of noisy fans on NSC, representing the noisy gaggle in society at large, because increasng numbers of lifelong tory voters who were able to live with Thatcher now regard the Boris gang as insupportable. The ocean-going tanker of public opinion is slow to turn, but I sense a movement in the wake......

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

It's well established that the 'poor' includes a cohort that are best described as 'the ignorant' who spend more than they should on processed food, and don't spend enough time planning the shop and cooking. It is a false economy to fill the fridge and freezer with 'cheap' food, some of which may lack much nutritional value, and overbuy 'cheap' fresh produce from the supermarket, meaning that lots of food gets thrown out each week, some of it composting itself, first, in nooks at the back of the fridge.

I don't think I've had to throw out any unused food, ever, in the last 30 years and, although the items of food I buy are expensive, the way they are used means my grocery bills will undercut those of many. And even the way the kitchen is used - water boiling on '9' while someone faffs about doing something other than the cooking; huge sinks of water to wash up a few bits and bobs; and so on, wastes energy and money.

Some people may consider themselves 'poor' but they carry on like little princes and princesses distorted through the modern prism of entitlement. Are they poor in spirit, indisciplined, feckless and deluded, or simply never trained and naive? Who knows.

If they do intreduce a meat tax then Guppy will be able to claim a rebait

Regards

DF