Green Council Members - Need to take a basic Maths course

[Westdene Seagull]

Putting aside the cost for now, what I struggle with is that by reducing streets to 20mph you increase pollution ( obviously only on streets that it's currently possible to do 30mph on ! ). Yet is it not a Green policy to try and improve air quality ( and yes I know all parties support the 20mph thing ) ?

Bizarre !!!! And especially for [MENTION=257]The Large One[/MENTION] - no frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog in this post

 

[The Large One]

Putting aside the cost for now, what I struggle with is that by reducing streets to 20mph you increase pollution ( obviously only on streets that it's currently possible to do 30mph on ! ). Yet is it not a Green policy to try and improve air quality ( and yes I know all parties support the 20mph thing ) ?

Bizarre !!!! And especially for [MENTION=257]The Large One[/MENTION] - no frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog in this post

Bearing in mind that on residential streets (which are rarely more than a few hundred yards long - if that), and providing you drive correctly, how does driving at 20mph rather than 30mph increase pollution?

 

[Hotchilidog]

Bearing in mind that on residential streets (which are rarely more than a few hundred yards long - if that), and providing you drive correctly, how does driving at 20mph rather than 30mph increase pollution?

According to these people, it does not necessarily mean an increase in pollution. Factors such as driving style and gear are more influential than the speed of the car.

 

[Billy the Fish]

As a Brighton & Hove resident - and that's who this is for - I strongly disagree.

As this is part of a two-stage consultation process (something that was always going to be the case - much to the surprise of an earlier poster it seems), I would expect this to throw up some anomalies, and I would hope that where residents in a given area come out strongly against a 20mph zone in their area, that the council would listen to their concerns, and act accordingly.

However, around where I am - and this is the view of the local residents' group - a extension of a 20mph zone in the residential streets would be quite welcome.

I don't need to live in B&H to tell you that your council is wasting your money - I can can tell you that all the way from mid-sussex.

So what if the local busybodies like the idea. I'm saying that it's a pointless exercise, all the hear'say about whether it reduces or increases pollution is irrelevant, a 10mph change in the speed limit in either direction, on roads that are already either very busy or full of parked cars, isn't going to make a tangible difference to anyone. I'm happy to listen to any MAJOR problems which are currently being caused by a 30mph speed limit if you'd like to highlight them.

To me it just looks like a load of local politicians trying to justify their existance by coming up with new pointless schemes every year

 

[woodster]

20 mph in resendential areas.........yes please.

Sadly you can't allow for the fact that you are never too far away from a complete twat behind the wheel. Whilst driving up surrenden crescent earlier in the week, one of these said twats thought it would be a good idea to try and overtake.......coming up the hill and just before the bend!!!! Well done! And they had kids in the car........!!

 

[albion534]

Unless you get those old people in high vis jackets like I often see in woodindean, going to be hard to enforce it!

 

[Aadam]

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I think getting rid of car tax full stop and just taxing fuel is the way ahead; if your car/van/truck uses more, then you drive more and use the roads more and pollute more, so you pay more. This also stops people using cars registered overseas on our roads without paying tax.

I might have a slight impartiality here as I own a classic car that costs £200 in car tax yet does 200 miles a year... :|

Did you think about this before you posted it? Whilst I agree that it will prevent people overseas using our roads without paying*, the rest is wrong. I can do 300 miles a tank, compared to my friend who, with the same size tank can do double the miles. Under your proposals he would be paying the same tax as me but doing double the miles on the roads. And as for the emissions debate if we both fill up our cars, whilst my rather petrol hungry car will produce 170g/km compared to his 120g/km I will generate just over 80,000g a tank, whereas his will generate over 115,000g a tank.

*In Austria you have to buy a vignette at the boarder. Which is like a daily 'car tax' if you like. You buy them for the duration you're going to be in the country. I think this is a good idea and they should be used here too.

the police have said they wont enforce the 20 m.p.h spped limit, so the council will have to do it on eveyroad...which basically means speed bumps everywhere

Really? I've seen they've set 20mph limits by Hove Park now. It was mildly irritating keeping to 20 on that road.

 

[Fungus]

I drive 8.5 miles to work each day, mostly through suburbs plus two short stretches of dual-carriageway. The traffic isn't particularly heavy, but it takes about 30 minutes. So my average speed is 17mph. I doubt that a 20mph limit would reduce that much, if at all.

(This the outskirts of Leicester, but would it be any different in B&H?)

 

[The Large One]

Unless you get those old people in high vis jackets like I often see in woodindean, going to be hard to enforce it!

In some cases, pinch points and speed bumps will be used.

I'm mostly talking about where I live here, so...

People dismiss the concept of culture, but that's what's being encouraged here. Some people drive at 30mph in tight, bumper-to-bumper parked residential streets - just because they can, irrespective of whether it's safe or not. However, in future, if you're the only one driving at 35mph (only slightly over the speed limit at present) when everyone else is pretty much keeping to the new 20mph, your driving stands out. Of course, some total twats won't care (as mentioned by woodster there), and will drive as if their universe only extends to three feet beyond them. However, the point is to encourage a culture general slow-down in tight residential streets - and the vast majority of drivers do stick to speed limits.

The seafront and London Road at Withdean are examples of where you feel a 30mph limit is too slow, and could be increased. However, the culture is that the majority of people stick to it.

Whatever you think of any given party, I can't see any future administration completely reversing this (assuming it goes ahead).

 

[Fungus]

Did you think about this before you posted it? Whilst I agree that it will prevent people overseas using our roads without paying*, the rest is wrong. I can do 300 miles a tank, compared to my friend who, with the same size tank can do double the miles. Under your proposals he would be paying the same tax as me but doing double the miles on the roads. And as for the emissions debate if we both fill up our cars, whilst my rather petrol hungry car will produce 170g/km compared to his 120g/km I will generate just over 80,000g a tank, whereas his will generate over 115,000g a tank.

Why would burning the same amount of fuel produce more emissions from your friend's more efficient car?

 

[Aadam]

Why would burning the same amount of fuel produce more emissions from your friend's more efficient car?

Because he can drive double the distance on the same amount of fuel. And emissions are calculated as grams per km. The more km you drive, the more emissions you produce.

Me (170g/km): 170g x 480km = 81,600g.
Him (120g/km): 120g x 960km = 115,200g

I know this is the backwards way of looking at it, because over the same distance I'm far worse, but I'm always going to fight my gas guzzling corner.

 

[Fungus]

I know this is the backwards way of looking at it, because over the same distance I'm far worse, but I'm always going to fight my gas guzzling corner.

No need for me to reply then!

 

[Aadam]

No need for me to reply then!

I was just answering your question.