Great work from the coalition

[DavidinSouthampton]

Fear not - I think the Labour rabble will be keeping very quiet after this latest triumph from our brave government.

I think "Triumph" is overstating it somewhat - a touch of irony?

How about waiting for the next set, where I predict a heavy winter and the subsequent disruption will set things back.

And there's 500 jobs just down the road from me at Ford going by next summer, so it seems, along with 1,000 jobs in Dagenham. That won't help.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

That's a nonsense, though, because:
1. people move in and out of benefits. What are they supposed to do: if their hours drop and they move on to benefits, kill the first born?
2. most people on benefits are the working poor, whose wages are so low they are entitled to benefits. The logic of this position is basically social cleansing; only the middle-income middle-classes and people with unearned wealth should have kids (Personally, I think it should be more of a priority to ensure people are paid a living wage, which probably makes me a loony lefty)
3. People who are seriously poor are generally in poorer health and live shorter lives (This doesn't apply to everyone on benefits in the UK, clearly). There's loads of evidence that, as a species, we have more children in these circumstances, almost certainly because it's the best chance of passing on our genes. Look how birth rates go down as nations get richer. It's not down to economic incentives or what politicians say, it's what we're like.

What a very sensible and perceptive post.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The BUCK stops AT the top and IT is no GOOD taking the EASY way out and BLAMING Osborne or the LAPDOG Clegg for MESSING things up.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Apart from his policies that madee the poor poorer through stealth taxes and ill thought out schemes like the car srapage scheme which took the cheap cars off the road and put up the prices of old second hand cars, pricing many out of vehicle ownership. Then there is the runaway housing market which has now priced out a lot of 1st time buyers and had the knock on effect of higher rents for those who can't afford to buy (again squeezing the low earners spending power, forcing more debt, etc) and so on.

It was a certain Mrs Thatcher who brought in the "Right to Buy" for Council House tenants and mucked it all up for everyone who came along afterwards. This is a wildly simplistic view, but I like to think that everything is Thatcher's fault.

And usually, when I think about it , it is!

 

[brightn'ove]

Olympimania

come next quarter we will be back bouncing around the plug hole once again.

 

[CHAPPERS]

sky watching fag smoking vajazzeled 1 armed lesbien mothers of 15

 

[Colossal Squid]

It was a certain Mrs Thatcher who brought in the "Right to Buy" for Council House tenants and mucked it all up for everyone who came along afterwards. This is a wildly simplistic view, but I like to think that everything is Thatcher's fault.

And usually, when I think about it , it is!

I choose to blame most inequalities in this country on Thatcher, primarily because she is usually to blame

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I think "Triumph" is overstating it somewhat - a touch of irony?

How about waiting for the next set, where I predict a heavy winter and the subsequent disruption will set things back.

And there's 500 jobs just down the road from me at Ford going by next summer, so it seems, along with 1,000 jobs in Dagenham. That won't help.

500 jobs going at Kimberly Clark's nappy factory at Barton on Humber when it closes next March with another 60 KC jobs lost in Wales. They are closing 3 factories elsewhere in Europe. Will this also affect the KC call centre based in Brighton ?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

500 jobs going at Kimberly Clark's nappy factory at Barton on Humber when it closes next March with another 60 KC jobs lost in Wales. Will this also affect the KC call centre based in Brighton ?

I just don't know when the penny will drop with all governments as regards the importance of manufacturing in this country.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I choose to blame most inequalities in this country on Thatcher, primarily because she is usually to blame

Despite the fact that she hasn't been in power for 22 years and that Blair was in power for longer than she was ? Kind of highlights how pathetically poor Labour were if they couldn't turn around Thatchers "errors" while being in power for a record amount of time.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Despite the fact that she hasn't been in power for 22 years and that Blair was in power for longer than she was ? Kind of highlights how pathetically poor Labour were if they couldn't turn around Thatchers "errors" while being in power for a record amount of time.

And this why Labour should stay well clear on running this country. To have that lot back in power would be a complete and utter disaster for this country.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Despite the fact that she hasn't been in power for 22 years and that Blair was in power for longer than she was ? Kind of highlights how pathetically poor Labour were if they couldn't turn around Thatchers "errors" while being in power for a record amount of time.

It wasn't only Thatcher's time in charge it was 18 years of Tory rule that Labour tried to rectify.

 

[beorhthelm]

3. People who are seriously poor are generally in poorer health and live shorter lives (This doesn't apply to everyone on benefits in the UK, clearly). There's loads of evidence that, as a species, we have more children in these circumstances, almost certainly because it's the best chance of passing on our genes. Look how birth rates go down as nations get richer. It's not down to economic incentives or what politicians say, it's what we're like.

that doesnt apply because of the welfare state, you do not need to have childred to provide for and look after you in old age as the state will. as for IDS comment, its uncomfortable but true. i would not be able to afford to have another child right now so wont be planning to. those on welfare do not need to consider the financial impact as their welfare will be adjusted. there is probably no practical solution to this matter, he's not going to do anything about it anyway and there are far less controversial areas of welfare that can be dealt with. but denial is certainly not going to help.

 

[The Large One]

Despite the fact that she hasn't been in power for 22 years and that Blair was in power for longer than she was ? Kind of highlights how pathetically poor Labour were if they couldn't turn around Thatchers "errors" while being in power for a record amount of time.

Small correction


Thatcher - 11 years, 209 days
Blair - 10 years, 56 days.

Thatcher was in power one and a half years longer than Blair.

 

[somerset]

That's irrelevant.

The claim was that the current government stuck to their guns. It was laughably inaccurate.

Your point is that you don't like the Labour government that was previously in power. Well done, nor did many of the rest of us. That's why we voted them out

.... though the current lot at least cannot be described as intransigent.... and you are right , even at the base level of dilution of our rights as individuals to question, the last lot just sold us all down the river.

 

[ROSM]

There're not mutually exclusive, go after both sets.

Allelluia brother

sadly I didnt see New Labour or this lot really going after either.

 

[Bean]

Politics is dead to me

 

[Tubby Mondays]

There're not mutually exclusive, go after both sets.

Cant.

Civil servants, those that do the governments dirty work such as collecting taxes and investigating fraud, are either being made redundant or are leaving because of the conditions they are expected to work under.

Same for local authorities who are getting rid of all the people that investigate housing benefit fraud.

 

[Albumen]

Ramesh Patel: Finally! Exposed! The Deficit Myth! So, David Cameron When are you Going to Apologise?

As a Conservative I have no pleasure in exposing David Cameron's deficit claims. However, as long as the party continues to talk down the economy via the blame game, confidence will not be given an opportunity to return. For it is an undeniable and inescapable economic fact: without confidence and certainty there can be no real growth.

Below are the 3 deficit claims - the mess. The evidence comes from the IMF, OECD, OBR, HM Treasury, ONS and even George Osborne. The claims put into context are:

CLAIM 1 The last government left the biggest debt in the developed world.

After continuously stating the UK had the biggest debt in the world George Osborne admits to the Treasury Select Committee that he did not know the UK had the lowest debt in the G7? Watch: Also, confirmed by the OECD Those who use cash terms (instead of percentages) do so to scare, mislead and give half the story.

Its common sense, in cash terms a millionaire's debt would be greater than most people. Therefore, the UK would have a higher debt and deficit than most countries because, we are the sixth largest economy. Hence, its laughable to compare UK's debt and deficit with Tuvalu's who only have a GDP/Income of £24 million whilst, the UK's income is £1.7 Trillion.

Finally, Labour in 1997 inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. By the start of the global banking crises 2008 the debt had fallen to 35% - a near 22% reduction page 6 ONS Surprisingly, a debt of 42% was not seen as a major problem and yet at 35% the sky was falling down?

CLAIM 2 Labour created the biggest deficit in the developed world by overspending.

Firstly, the much banded about 2010 deficit of over 11% is false. This is the PSNB (total borrowings) and not the actual budget deficit which was -7.7% - OBR Economic and Fiscal Outlook March 2012 page 19 table 1.2

Secondly, in 1997 Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP (not a balanced budget ) and by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1% - a reduction of a near 50% - Impressive! Hence, it's implausible and ludicrous to claim there was overspending. The deficit was then exacerbated by the global banking crises after 2008. See HM Treasury. Note, the 1994 deficit of near 8% haaaaaah!

Thirdly, the IMF have also concluded the same. They reveal the UK experienced an increase in the deficit as result of a large loss in output/GDP caused by the global banking crisis and not even as result of the bank bailouts, fiscal stimulus and bringing forward of capital spending. It's basic economics: when output falls the deficit increases.

Finally, the large loss in output occurred because the UK like the US have the biggest financial centres and as this was a global banking crises we suffered the most. Hence, the UK had the 2nd highest deficit in the G7 (Not The World) after the US and not as a result of overspending prior to and after 2008- as the IMF concur.

Claim 3 Our borrowing costs are low because the markets have confidence in George Osborne's austerity plan and without it the UK will end up like Greece.

Yes, the markets have confidence in our austerity plan and that's why PIMCO the worlds largest bond holder have been warning against buying UK debt.

The real reason why our borrowing costs have fallen and remained low since 2008 is because, savings have increased. As a result, the demand and price for bonds have increased and as there is inverse relationship between the price of bonds and its yield (interest rate) the rates have fallen. Also, the markets expect the economy to remain stagnate. Which means the price for bonds will remain high and hence, our borrowing costs will also remain low.

Secondly, the UK is considered a safe heaven because, investors are reassured the Bank of England will buy up bonds in an event of any sell off - which increases the price of bonds and reduces the effective rate. Note, how rates fell across the EU recently when the ECB announced its bond buying program. Thirdly, because, we are not in the Euro we can devalue our currency to increase exports. Moreover, UK bonds are attractive because, we haven't defaulted on its debt for over 300 yrs.

David Cameron would like people to believe the markets lend in the same way as retail banks lend to you and I.

Overall, when the facts and figures are put into context these juvenile deficit narratives and sound bites ("mere words and no evidence") simply fail to stand up to the actual facts. The deficit myth is the grosses lie ever enforced upon the people and it has been sold by exploiting people's economic illiteracy.

So, David Cameron when are you going to apologise?

Cameron is playing the blame game to depress confidence and growth to justify austerity. Secondly, to use austerity as justification for a smaller state to gain lower taxes. Thirdly, to paint Labour as a party that can not be trusted with the country's finances again. Therefore, we Conservatives will win a second term because, people vote out of fear. The latter strategy worked the last time in office (18 years) and will work again because, in the end, elections are won and lost on economic credibility. Hence, as people believe Labour created the mess they won't be trusted again.

Finally, as the truth is the greatest enemy of the a lie I urge you to share this on Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, text and email etc etc. So the truth can be discovered by all. Finally, have no doubt, people have been mislead by the use of the following strategy:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels

 

[Silk]

And meanwhile: BBC News - Ford to cut 1,400 car jobs in Southampton and Dagenham