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Great White Shark In the channel??



DTES

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Jul 7, 2003
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Why is there such disagreement

There really isn't that much disagreement at all - experts are pretty much unanimous in agreeing that it's a basking shark.

However, a Basking Shark isn't worthy of front-page news, and while parliament is in recess, the tabloids need to grasp any straws to get some headlines.
 








DTES

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Jul 7, 2003
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But the Sun is fun the Guardian is err f***ing boring.

I'm sure there's been threads on this before, but start another one if you want to talk about this, this thread is about "fun" (untrue) stuff like great-white sharks. You can start it by with 2 points:

a) How many Guardians have you ever read, to know how boring it is?
b) Given that you'd prefer to read "fun" lies, than "boring" fact, that casts quite a light on your input on all the political debates on NSC, doesn't it?

:wave:
 






Mendoza

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the fins in the pictures on this thread look like that of a manta ray more than a great white shark
i only say that cause i took some pictures of a manta ray surfacing, and it looks so simular.
on that same trip i also swam with a feck off long whale shark, what a beast that is, but safe to swim with
 
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Bevendean Hillbilly

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Having studied the picture of the fin, and whilst I am no Marine Biologist, it appears to me to be a marine CACKBADGER.
 


Goodfella

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Feb 9, 2004
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Brighton
It's more than likely a large Porbeagle shark, some fishermen caught some large species in the same area.

pbsharklg.jpg
 




I'm sure there's been threads on this before, but start another one if you want to talk about this, this thread is about "fun" (untrue) stuff like great-white sharks. You can start it by with 2 points:

a) How many Guardians have you ever read, to know how boring it is?
b) Given that you'd prefer to read "fun" lies, than "boring" fact, that casts quite a light on your input on all the political debates on NSC, doesn't it?

:wave:

I only read the Argus, just proving a piont to someone I work with, and you proved it, thank you.
 




portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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I AM an authority or sharks, so all bow to my opinion....:lolol:...

Seriously, had a bit with these animals in my time and studied them. As others have already said, expert opinion is practically unanimous in thinking this is a Basking shark, which I've seen a few times when diving off St Ives, rather than a GW. The Sun runs this story every summer now, you can tell it's a no-news period too with parliament in recess, reports about Jelly beans and Big Brother etc. But it sells papers (certainly caught my interest, though the funny that the Daily Telegraph's not even mentioned it) 2 years ago they showed a picture a tourist took from the cliffs saying with the headline "Is this Jaws?". Anyone who's even watched Finding Nemo could see it was a Basking shark though.

Someone correctly stated that the Bay of Biscay is the furthest north one's ever been a confirmed sighting for (just off La Rochelle). There is a dying population in the Med of GW's because it's primary food source (Tuna) has been all but wiped out. Always a rare creature, sightings are very few and far between now a days. Last confirmed sighting there most famously bumped a boat in the Adriatic and was caught on camera in 2001. I've got some photos of another caught in Malta in the mid-80's from the fisherman who snared it. Almost a record catch at c20ft / 3tonnes.

It's extremely likely that GW's have visited our waters at some point in time and experts often pose the question - why wouldN'T they be here? Abundant and preferred food in seals, right temperature and so forth. With increasing human use of the sea for recreation as well as fishing, the chances of finally getting a confirmed sighting in British waters are higher than ever, though it would be an appalling tragedy if one was killed in order to prove its existence;they're not on the WWF endangered species list for nothing. If you're lucky or unlucky (depending on your view!) enough to see one whilst swimming, diving etc, you'd be well advised to leave the water regardless. However it's unlikely you'd be attacked at that stage because it's always the one you never saw that would have bitten you - they're apex predators and just many others, you'd never see it coming if it was intent on killing you rather than looking out of curiosity.

Finally, if you're interested in the Oceans like me, this is a great website to frequent daily: www.underwatertimes.com

So enjoy, get back in the water, and don't be scared. The sea is a wonderful place to visit!
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Get this man off of here

This is NSC - no place for facts or informed opinion
 








Tricky Dicky

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Jul 27, 2004
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I AM an authority or sharks, so all bow to my opinion....:lolol:...

Seriously, had a bit with these animals in my time and studied them. As others have already said, expert opinion is practically unanimous in thinking this is a Basking shark, which I've seen a few times when diving off St Ives, rather than a GW. The Sun runs this story every summer now, you can tell it's a no-news period too with parliament in recess, reports about Jelly beans and Big Brother etc. But it sells papers (certainly caught my interest, though the funny that the Daily Telegraph's not even mentioned it) 2 years ago they showed a picture a tourist took from the cliffs saying with the headline "Is this Jaws?". Anyone who's even watched Finding Nemo could see it was a Basking shark though.

Someone correctly stated that the Bay of Biscay is the furthest north one's ever been a confirmed sighting for (just off La Rochelle). There is a dying population in the Med of GW's because it's primary food source (Tuna) has been all but wiped out. Always a rare creature, sightings are very few and far between now a days. Last confirmed sighting there most famously bumped a boat in the Adriatic and was caught on camera in 2001. I've got some photos of another caught in Malta in the mid-80's from the fisherman who snared it. Almost a record catch at c20ft / 3tonnes.

It's extremely likely that GW's have visited our waters at some point in time and experts often pose the question - why wouldN'T they be here? Abundant and preferred food in seals, right temperature and so forth. With increasing human use of the sea for recreation as well as fishing, the chances of finally getting a confirmed sighting in British waters are higher than ever, though it would be an appalling tragedy if one was killed in order to prove its existence;they're not on the WWF endangered species list for nothing. If you're lucky or unlucky (depending on your view!) enough to see one whilst swimming, diving etc, you'd be well advised to leave the water regardless. However it's unlikely you'd be attacked at that stage because it's always the one you never saw that would have bitten you - they're apex predators and just many others, you'd never see it coming if it was intent on killing you rather than looking out of curiosity.

Finally, if you're interested in the Oceans like me, this is a great website to frequent daily: www.underwatertimes.com

So enjoy, get back in the water, and don't be scared. The sea is a wonderful place to visit!

Fairly comprehensive portlock. Am I right in remembering that thay don't actually like to eat humans, it's usually by accident - being mistaken for seals etc. ?
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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Fairly comprehensive portlock. Am I right in remembering that thay don't actually like to eat humans, it's usually by accident - being mistaken for seals etc. ?


Just look at the Video evidence posted by MB!

Of course they like eating people, Steven Spielberg never lies!
 


Mr Blobby

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Jul 14, 2003
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I thought I heard the Fatty Taxman had been taking a quick dip in the sea in his lunch break - now this proves it!

Shark my arse - its the infamous Fatty Taxman :bowdown::bowdown:
 


portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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Fairly comprehensive portlock. Am I right in remembering that thay don't actually like to eat humans, it's usually by accident - being mistaken for seals etc. ?

Correct. Many studies have looked at this and the consensus is there's something in a case of mistaken identity when it comes to attacks on humans. In shark cost/benefit terms, we just don't provide enough return (e.g. fat and calories) versus the risk of injury a shark might receive when attacking us. Which is why so many people survive ‘try-bites’. Trouble is it’s a hell of a ‘try-bite’ to discover you’re not a seal etc because it will usually inflict a life-threatening injury! But you’d be surprised how many people have seen GW’s without being attacked. Had a great chat with an Australian abalone diver once and she and her father had quite a few encounters without anything other than a bit of a fright when it first came into view.
 




Tricky Dicky

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Jul 27, 2004
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Correct. Many studies have looked at this and the consensus is there's something in a case of mistaken identity when it comes to attacks on humans. In shark cost/benefit terms, we just don't provide enough return (e.g. fat and calories) versus the risk of injury a shark might receive when attacking us. Which is why so many people survive ‘try-bites’. Trouble is it’s a hell of a ‘try-bite’ to discover you’re not a seal etc because it will usually inflict a life-threatening injury! But you’d be surprised how many people have seen GW’s without being attacked. Had a great chat with an Australian abalone diver once and she and her father had quite a few encounters without anything other than a bit of a fright when it first came into view.

Thanks for that - I shall sleep easier now !
 


Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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. Which is why so many people survive ‘try-bites’. .


Exactly you don't "survive" a shark attack if it means business but as you say a try bite could remove an arm or a leg no problem. The only reason you might survive is that the shark didn't much like the taste not because you or anyone else fought it off
 


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