[Albion] Graham Potter to remain at Brighton...even if they get relegated

[Chicken Run]

There's a quote from TB somewhere, from a while back, saying that the long term "project" may involve relegation as part of the process.

So this doesn't surprise me.

Sadly I can't find it, or maybe I imagined it...

BUT it was before COVID. You'd think the TV money from the Prem is a necessity at the moment and near future.

This isn't a Potter out post. I'm still behind him. Just thinking aloud about the impact of relegation during COVID.

Knowing how hard it is to to get promoted out of the Championship surely a better business plan is to actually stay and develop where we are though?

 

[Chicken Run]

well this is a great way of instilling a little bit of pressure on Potter to get a few points from the next few games.

In my eyes its the same as my boss saying you have a job for the next few years no matter how sh*t you perform.

This experiment has been one long unsuccessful gamble.

Totally agree with this

 

[Peteinblack]

Brilliant post.

I’ve been shocked at the number of good sensible posters losing their beans and turning to the ‘Potter Out’ camp. We’ve missed 20 big chances this season, no other team is anywhere near. This along with Potter finally getting the best out of March, ruthlessly solving the ‘Ryan lets every shot on target in’ dilemma, attracting the likes of Welbeck & Lallana, keeping hold of White, playing the best passing football I have ever seen at the club, playing Man Utd off the pitch etc etc.

We’ve come so far, it’s the height of entitlement not to back Tony Bloom’s plan. He has consistently prioritised ‘style of football’ in his Manager recruitment with the exception of Hughton where promotion was the key.

It’s almost upsetting that so many seemingly intelligent fans are so short term in their view because several of our players have lost any ability they ever had to put the ball in the back of the net. The goals will come because we are creating so many fantastic chances with our brilliant build up play.

I'd love to have this faith, but after 18 months of this, why will it change? We could spend another 18 months with lots of possession, build-up play, and creating lots of potential chances, but if our strikers aren't up to the job, then all this beautiful play-making and attacking football will still not translate into three points; we'll still end up drawing or losing games in which we've enjoyed 60-70% possession, but only mustered 2 shots on target - and Potter will still drone on about 'learning the lessons, taking the positives' in his post-match interviews.

 

[vagabond]

Potter fans please explain your excitement in this fella.

We couldn’t beat the worst team in the league at home who just happened to play half the game with ten men.

Since being appointed we now have the worst home form in the league (Not great is it).

Possession stats at the end of the day mean well nothing really, we went through this with Poyet his last season that team should of been promoted by Easter instead we played out to many draws with well basically exactly the same style as Potter slow build up possession based bullshit. Your praising Potter for what Almost winning games we never f.ucking win

A worrying fact we are no better than our relegation rivals after a year and a half of wonderful Potter ball

So instead of telling me to go and support Liverpool or would I prefer Pulis or Pardew please explain what your seeing happen on the pitch that convinces you Potter one day will lead us into Europe or mid table I don’t mind either tbh.

Simply, in nearly every game we are dominating possession and creating heaps of chances. And this is against top 6 sides regularly. You remember the Hughton era. Of course he’s a legend. But we were backs to the wall every game and did well to even get a shot in away from him. If we could even regularly take a quarter of our chances now we would be flying up the table.

So that’s the tactical and managerial side. Potter is doing just job there, but being let down by personnel and finishing.

On the coaching side, he’s completely unafraid to blood exciting young players in the team. And has given debut to Alzate, White, Lamptey, Connolly and now Sanchez. This is a very exciting trend, and ok let’s leave White out as we knew about him already. But the rest above are probably worth a pretty penny already now and have an exciting future. Solly’s and Bissouma’s game have unquestionably gone to another level as well.

There’s a lot of good long term trends developing here. We are very very close to something very special happening... we are possibly just one goal scorer away. Yet some people only think short term. And because we drew with Sheff Utd all of the above counts for nothing to them.

Poker is a game that forces you to think long term and to make the correct decisions that benefit you long term. This is Tony’s strategy here. Relegation may happen. But it could happen even if we had Big Sam, Pulis or Eddie Howe. Think long term.

 

[nicko31]

Good news.

Now let's have a stellar transfer window.

Indeed, lets back GP. We all know we aren't far away from having the best ever Albion team.

I keep explaining to my kids these are special times

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Potter fans please explain your excitement in this fella.

We couldn’t beat the worst team in the league at home who just happened to play half the game with ten men.

Since being appointed we now have the worst home form in the league (Not great is it).

Possession stats at the end of the day mean well nothing really, we went through this with Poyet his last season that team should of been promoted by Easter instead we played out to many draws with well basically exactly the same style as Potter slow build up possession based bullshit. Your praising Potter for what Almost winning games we never f.ucking win

A worrying fact we are no better than our relegation rivals after a year and a half of wonderful Potter ball

So instead of telling me to go and support Liverpool or would I prefer Pulis or Pardew please explain what your seeing happen on the pitch that convinces you Potter one day will lead us into Europe or mid table I don’t mind either tbh.

He is a clinical finisher away from success. If we change the manager that won't change, but the rest probably will.

You are one of a very vocal number of the Potter out camp but what would you do that he currently isn't?

 

[zefarelly]

Think you have probably nailed it. Potter has advanced us so quickly that many get a bit twitchy when things go a bit wrong because the bar has been raised in terms of expectation

He's advanced the style of play yes, nothing more. YET.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, and whilst doing it Disco Stu style is highly desireable and good to watch, a good coach/manager needs another string or two to his bow.

After a woeful start to 2020 results wise we came back from lockdown and ground out the necessary results to get to 40 points . . . . I think we all agree Pottinker is stubborn and will stick to his guns for as long as possible, but there must come a point when he has to use plan B or C to grind out 3 points a few times to keep us up, you'd like to think thats before he gets a TAP ON THE SHOULDER from TB . . . although I'd have tapped him already if I was TB!

 

[Hugo Rune]

We are very very close to something very by special happening... we are possibly just one goal scorer away.

And there you have it - the problem in one sentence.

I’ll get slaughtered by the Potter-Out camp but if we’d signed Danny Ings instead of Neal Maupay, we’d be in the top 4.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I realy don't know what to make of this. We are in a relegation battle and I think that fi we can't imporvign our goalscoring we are goign to go down. Who's fault is that?

Well I don't if it is Potter or not. Last season I didn't think it was him and I was pretty happy. But this season I've suspected there have been tactical reasons why we are not winning, not just confidence or lack of right player in right place. is it not possible that we flattered to decieve a little at the beginning of the season because the better teams weren't full up to speed.

It's Blooms club and his money and I will support us wherever we are... but I'm not 100% sure if Potter is delivering.

 

[Swansman]

He's advanced the style of play yes, nothing more. YET.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, and whilst doing it Disco Stu style is highly desireable and good to watch, a good coach/manager needs another string or two to his bow.

After a woeful start to 2020 results wise we came back from lockdown and ground out the necessary results to get to 40 points . . . . I think we all agree Pottinker is stubborn and will stick to his guns for as long as possible, but there must come a point when he has to use plan B or C to grind out 3 points a few times to keep us up, you'd like to think thats before he gets a TAP ON THE SHOULDER from TB . . . although I'd have tapped him already if I was TB!

He tinkers too much but is also stubborn and got no plan B or plan C?

If he played the same formation and same team every game, would that decrease his stubborness and your opinion that he has no plan B or plan C?

As for "grinding out victories", its really not that easy. If it was that easy 20 teams would be grinding all day all night. Playing like i.e. Sheffield doesnt make it easier to win games than if you play like i.e. Brighton.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I’d like to see the percentage of managers that have been relegated and brought the team back up the next season

It seems a lot more that keep the job get removed a few months in.

 

[vagabond]

And there you have it - the problem in one sentence.

I’ll get slaughtered by the Potter-Out camp but if we’d signed Danny Ings instead of Neal Maupay, we’d be in the top 4.

The amount of chances we create but fail to take. It’s hard to quantify. But I genuinely believe if we took even a quarter of those chances we’d be comfortably mid table minimum. And that’s a conservative estimate.

There’s less than a handful of games where I felt we either didn’t turn up or were the worst team. City, Leicester, Everton. Every other game we have been set up in a system that has dominated possession and created plentiful chances.

I do hope the club will support GP and try to improve his forward options. Maybe Tau is part of this plan.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

And there you have it - the problem in one sentence.

I’ll get slaughtered by the Potter-Out camp but if we’d signed Danny Ings instead of Neal Maupay, we’d be in the top 4.

You might get slaughtered by them but you are correct.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Brilliant post.

I’ve been shocked at the number of good sensible posters losing their beans and turning to the ‘Potter Out’ camp. We’ve missed 20 big chances this season, no other team is anywhere near. This along with Potter finally getting the best out of March, ruthlessly solving the ‘Ryan lets every shot on target in’ dilemma, attracting the likes of Welbeck & Lallana, keeping hold of White, playing the best passing football I have ever seen at the club, playing Man Utd off the pitch etc etc.

We’ve come so far, it’s the height of entitlement not to back Tony Bloom’s plan. He has consistently prioritised ‘style of football’ in his Manager recruitment with the exception of Hughton where promotion was the key.

It’s almost upsetting that so many seemingly intelligent fans are so short term in their view because several of our players have lost any ability they ever had to put the ball in the back of the net. The goals will come because we are creating so many fantastic chances with our brilliant build up play.

Yours is a brilliant post too. Absolutely spot on in every way.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

The amount of chances we create but fail to take. It’s hard to quantify. But I genuinely believe if we took even a quarter of those chances we’d be comfortably mid table minimum. And that’s a conservative estimate.

There’s less than a handful of games where I felt we either didn’t turn up or were the worst team. City, Leicester, Everton. Every other game we have been set up in a system that has dominated possession and created plentiful chances.

I do hope the club will support GP and try to improve his forward options. Maybe Tau is part of this plan.

Welbeck has scored 2 in 8 games, at that rate he is on course for 8 goals in 38. Of course he hasnt started all 8 games and will probably miss a few through resting or injury so 8 is probably a high figure. 8 goals will not save us from relegation. Very simplistic i know but Maupay scored 10 last season didnt he? He probably wont get as many this season. We desperately need a sriker who can bag 10 goals from January untill end of season.

Of course thier are other variants but Potters job will probably look a lot safer if we purchase the ever elusive striker.

 

[Kosh]

I realy don't know what to make of this. We are in a relegation battle and I think that fi we can't imporvign our goalscoring we are goign to go down. Who's fault is that?

Well I don't if it is Potter or not. Last season I didn't think it was him and I was pretty happy. But this season I've suspected there have been tactical reasons why we are not winning, not just confidence or lack of right player in right place. is it not possible that we flattered to decieve a little at the beginning of the season because the better teams weren't full up to speed.

It's Blooms club and his money and I will support us wherever we are... but I'm not 100% sure if Potter is delivering.

You know, it’s often the perfectly reasonable posts like this that fall away between the cracks (the ranters and ravers) and it’s worth noting that the uneasy feeling creeping in amongst the reasonable supporters is becoming the norm.

The GP disciples are seemingly impervious to fact, or more pertinently have opted to buy into a fiction, based on the splendid cover as splashed over their proud words on that dusty shelf yonder...

I too only see darkness, which isn’t exactly balanced or fair.

Your post is spot on, and represents a truth neither end of the spectrum can hope to see or understand.

He’s not a genius, nor is he terrible he’s doing okay but nothing more. I love his use of the academy players but doubt his (and others) ill judgement on recruitment... tactically we’re all over the book shop, ‘ever lost in the fiction section, whilst searching for the ‘self help’ genre... all in vain! spinning slowly into the vast emptiness of space where no starlight reaches and angels fear to tread.

Fey.

 

[Lenny Rider]

The article may well have some credence but as soon as the author gave his opinion on the SPOTY winner i immediately assumed it was a load of old HOGWASH.

And that's the crux of it Gullsworth old boy (or girl) its my opinion, I've been lucky enough to have met Tyson Fury, have read his book and having experienced serious anxiety and depression issues myself am in awe of what he has done since coming back from the brink of suicide.

IMHO like the rest of us he is clearly flawed, at times he engages his mouth before his brain, but I think under the surface he is one of the most inspiring sporting personalities this country has produced in recent years.

And as it said in the column if that makes me a dinosaur so be it.

Merry Xmas.

 

[Justice]

TB is a great believer in statistical analysis and he knows that the numbers are there in terms of chances being created. This why I don't think he's gonna sack Potter any time soon. We actually created more chances than the Premier League champions when we played them, it's just that the difference is in personnel. We can't finish the chances cos our strikers are pony and the midfield tries to pass to our pony strikers in the final 3rd in positions where they'd probably be better off having a dig at goal. You've arguably got a point when you look at how bad we are when attacking (and defending) set pieces, that's down to the manager. As is team lineup and questionable substitutions. But Potterball itself is working when you look at the amount of chances we create. It's far better than the turgid shite we were playing under Hughton where there were games where we didn't have a SINGLE SHOT on goal.

Some people have very short memories.

We also had some great games and wins in the PL under CH let’s not forget that.

So if your theory about TB is correct then he has no alternative to go out in January and buy a striker good enough to score the chances we keep missing to solve the statistical problem, Interesting to see what happens in the window a guess would be no striker good enough will arrive just like every other window.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Who knows, maybe we'll be able to boast a front two of Tau and Andone sometime in the New Year. Both must be chomping at the bit to make their mark in this misfiring side. Would certainly give us a few more options

 

[*Gullsworth*]

And that's the crux of it Gullsworth old boy (or girl) its my opinion, I've been lucky enough to have met Tyson Fury, have read his book and having experienced serious anxiety and depression issues myself am in awe of what he has done since coming back from the brink of suicide.

IMHO like the rest of us he is clearly flawed, at times he engages his mouth before his brain, but I think under the surface he is one of the most inspiring sporting personalities this country has produced in recent years.

And as it said in the column if that makes me a dinosaur so be it.

Merry Xmas.

A safe and Merry Christmas to your good self.