[Politics] General Election 2024 - 4th July

[Sid and the Sharknados]

For reference…..

That data comes from ‘Best For Britain’. They are an anti-Brexit organisation committed to the UK rejoining the EU which is completely at odds with current Labour Party policy.

To be fair, I think it reasonable to assume that Best for Britain were aware of Labour's EU policy before they apparently made their recommendation that people should vote Labour in that constituency.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Whilst you believe feeble Labour Party data. The question was what party do you prefer? Surprisingly the Independent didn't feature on the poll.
I would love to see Labour chase the Tories out of Worthing, Shoreham, Hastings, Mid Sussex, Crawley etc. Why don't you put NSC down for an hour and go and knock on some doors and use your persuasive skills on voters. I am also an autistic dog with a bone and feel that debates on here are fun, but they aren't as useful as with angry voters who don't really know what way to turn.

Trust me. My powers of persuasion in the flesh are only marginally more ineffectual than my witterings on NSC.

 

[beorhthelm]

For reference…..

That data comes from ‘Best For Britain’. They are an anti-Brexit organisation committed to the UK rejoining the EU which is completely at odds with current Labour Party policy.

but the polling data is from Survation. interesting point they seem to completely ignore the independent vote there, either very small vote or shows the MRP not being so useful for individual seats.

does feel like polls taken too seriously when they give 2 decimal accuracy from polls that nationally average 30-60 people per constituency.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Literally no one in Chingford is voting due to the genocide in Palestine. They are motivated by a hatred of the Tories and a disgust at Labour's treatment of Faiza. It has always seemed odd they you have such high moral principles as a poster on NSC but seems to have no need for them when voting.
Hey ho, you obviously know more about the political shenanigans in my borough, thanks to the New Statesman than the people whose doors I've been knocking on.

Just to be clear, is this a fake news site?

GetVoting.org

www.getvoting.org

Sincere apologies if so.

 

[Hugo Rune]

but the polling data is from Survation. interesting point they seem to completely ignore the independent vote there, either very small vote or shows the MRP not being so useful for individual seats.

does feel like polls taken too seriously when they give 2 decimal accuracy from polls that nationally average 30-60 people per constituency.

This poll is better.

New Seat Details - Chingford and Woodford Green

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk

 

[Motogull]

Blimey, far too much Rees-Mogg, Patel, Braverman and Gullis in the limelight. Give someone else some airtime!

 

[Eeyore]

This poll is better.

New Seat Details - Chingford and Woodford Green

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk

Oh cheers for THAT. I'm going to be stuck for hours on that site.

 

[Nobby]

Tories now blaming the Police for leaking the names in the Betting conspiracy

It was all the Met’s fault all along, apparently

Telegraph getting a bit desperate now

 

[jcdenton08]

Tories now blaming the Police for leaking the names in the Betting conspiracy

It was all the Met’s fault all along, apparently

Telegraph getting a bit desperate now

Wouldn’t surprise me though. First good thing the Met have done

 

[Thunder Bolt]

For balance there are 650 seats in the Commons.

Cameron: 245
May: 42
Johnson: 88
Truss 3
Sunak 58

436 of the 784 sitting members in the House of Lords were appointed in the last fourteen years. 56%

Unelected bureaucrats!

 

[Hugo Rune]

Tories now blaming the Police for leaking the names in the Betting conspiracy

It was all the Met’s fault all along, apparently

Telegraph getting a bit desperate now

It’s pathetic.

But annoyingly, I think Rishi has done enough to block the story until after the election. I suspect there are a good number of Tories still to come out the woodwork as well as some Met officers. We may well have some MP’s who have just been elected found guilty of the practice. What then? The Prime Minature will be long gone to LA by then. Who is going to kick them out?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

John Oliver. Bravo

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[beorhthelm]

whoever thought extra nurses, physio, skilled therapists would be a bad thing? ARRS is additional funding, so doesnt directly affect GP numbers, though their union wants it to. the question should be why so many GP's go to locum work rather than stay in a permenant position. funny line in that article about General Practice is a mess: yep, a 1940's practice that's been seperate from NHS proper since inception.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

who ever thought extra nurses, physio, skilled therapists would be a bad thing? ARRS is additional funding, so doesnt directly affect GP numbers, though their union wants it to. the question should be why so many GP's go to locum work rather than stay in a permenant position. funny line in that article about General Practice is a mess: yep, a 1940's practice that's been seperate from NHS proper since inception.

You have deliberately missed the point. Practises are not allowed to employ GPs at the moment. Doctors who have qualified to be GPs cannot get jobs. The BMA are complaining about the funding in that clip, so no sign of it being additional.
Doctors are retiring and not being replaced.

I have mentioned this several times on Nsc, but Chapel Street surgery in Newhaven doesn’t have ANY GPs. Not one.
There are a series of locums..Can you imagine having complex health issues, but having to see a different face every time?

Luckily, I am with Quayside.

Oh, and we don’t have a permanent pharmacist either, again a series of locums.

 

[beorhthelm]

You have deliberately missed the point. Practises are not allowed to employ GPs at the moment. Doctors who have qualified to be GPs cannot get jobs. The BMA are complaining about the funding in that clip, so no sign of it being additional.
Doctors are retiring and not being replaced.

I have mentioned this several times on Nsc, but Chapel Street surgery in Newhaven doesn’t have ANY GPs. Not one.
There are a series of locums..Can you imagine having complex health issues, but having to see a different face every time?

Luckily, I am with Quayside.

Oh, and we don’t have a permanent pharmacist either, again a series of locums.

not at all, i'm highlighting there is some twisting of information behind the story. ARRS was never intended to fund GPs, it was intended to provide non-GP roles to support them. the BMA apparently dont like that. if i know i have feet problems, i'm probably better off seeing a podiatrist rather than see a GP first to refer me to one. this frees up the GP for those with less well defined problems. to the locum issue, practices are responsible for thier own management and budgeting (remember, GPs are contractors to NHS). are locums unable to find work because lack of funds or because so many are leaving permenant roles, moving somewhere nice and find there's not enough locum work to go round? the article present one side of an issue that has a few more facets.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

not at all, i'm highlighting there is some twisting of information behind the story. ARRS was never intended to fund GPs, it was intended to provide non-GP roles to support them. the BMA apparently dont like that. if i know i have feet problems, i'm probably better off seeing a podiatrist rather than see a GP first to refer me to one. this frees up the GP for those with less well defined problems. to the locum issue, practices are responsible for thier own management and budgeting (remember, GPs are contractors to NHS). are locums unable to find work because lack of funds or because so many are leaving permenant roles, moving somewhere nice and find there's not enough locum work to go round? the article present one side of an issue that has a few more facets.

You think there are facets whereas I am reading actual anecdotes from doctors.

 

[beorhthelm]

You think there are facets whereas I am reading actual anecdotes from doctors.

the anecdote is strong on "allowing to fail" narrative, with mis-information about training (risen to 4000) and on BMA message about ARRS (have a read about that, and also PCNs)

incidently, back to election, it's indicative of how poor this government is that they cant even communicate this sort of stuff themselves. basic for politicans to promote themselve and policy, still they fail.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Tories now blaming the Police for leaking the names in the Betting conspiracy

It was all the Met’s fault all along, apparently

Telegraph getting a bit desperate now

Latest news, it has taken Sunk two weeks to complete an investigation, but his lawyers have now explained to him that using inside information to bet on the election date is 'a bit nawty'.

Two tory candidates have now been disowned by the tories, rather like the labour candidate in the Rochdale byelection some months ago. In the present case, however, an egregious self inflicted wound with Sunk's dithering resulting in it being too late to replace the candidates compared with the stitch up in the Rochdale byelection (the Mail releasing the evidence when it was too late for labour to change its candidate). Schadenfreude.

 

[jcdenton08]

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